矛盾 Paradoxical.
膽大 Bold.
是啊 Yeah
神秘 Mysterious.
古怪 Eccentric.
隱秘 Private.
她是個非常非常隱秘的女人 She was a very, very private woman.
我從沒想過她會拍照 I never had any idea she took pictures.
她會拍照 拍了好多好多照片 She would take photographsmany, many photographs.
她從沒想過做這種事吧 She would never have let this happen.
你有沒有想做 Is there anything that you wish
一些不一樣的事呢 you would have done differently then?
當然有 我希望是我找到這些底片 Sure, I wish I would have found those negatives.
而不是你 instead of you
那是2007年的冬天 It was winter 2007.
拍賣行在我家街對面 The auction house is across the street from my home
我發現了這個裝滿底片的箱子 I found this box that was loaded with negatives.
75號 成交 80美元 75, there we go, $80.
當時我在寫一本歷史書 I was writing a history book,
需要一些有歷史意義的照片 and I needed a lot of historic photos
所以我就拿著底片 And so I would, like, you know,take the negatives
藉著燈光查看 and I'd look up into the light,
找尋芝加哥的影像資料 and I'd look for images of Chicago.
150, 160.
有好幾個箱子一同競拍 There were several boxes that went with the set.
我只拍了最大的那個 I just went for the biggest one.
你的賣家是39號 39 is your buyer.
我拍下了它 我記得是380美元 I won it forI think it was $380
拍賣行告訴我這個攝影師 The auction house told me the photographer,
她名字叫薇薇安·邁爾 her name was Vivian Maier.
用谷歌搜了一下她 什麼也沒搜著 Google searched her.Nothing at all.
我是說 完全搜找不到 I mean, absolutely nothing.
所以我就暫時停止了搜索 So I just kind of gave up for a while.
那晚我看了些材料 雖然覺得不錯 I looked at some of the stuff that night, and it was cool,
但對我的書沒什麼作用 就把它放進壁櫥裡了 but nothing worked for the book,so I just put it in the closet.
只是我得想辦法 Just had to figure out,
我該怎麼處理這些遺物呢 "What am I gonna do with this stuff?"
這樣就促使我開始掃瞄這些材料 That's what sparked me to start scanning it.
我有種本能 只要我開車到某處 I have a reflex where we'll be driving somewhere
發現什麼東西後 and I'll just, like,spot something
我就知道它是什麼 from down the road that I know what it is
我就知道它有沒價值 and I know that it's valuable.
我和我哥是做跳蚤市場長大的 I grew up doing the flea markets with my brother.
我爸也是 我爺爺也是 My father did it. His father did it.
我會跟我哥做一些倉庫拍賣 I would do storage auctions with my brother,
他會拍回一下東西 然後我們一齊清理 and he'd win some,and we'd clean them out.
我們扔過無數底片 We threw out tons of negatives,
因為底片對轉售者來說 'cause there's no value in negatives
毫無價值可言 to most resale people.
但我找到的這些底片 In these negatives that I discovered,
一開始看到它們 what I saw at first,
不清楚到底好不好 I didn't know if it was really good.
我知道自己覺得它不錯 I knew that I thought it was good.
我聯繫了美術館 I contacted a couple galleries.
我不知道去找誰 I didn't know where to go.
我建了個相片部落格 然後貼了200張相片上去 I made a photo blog,and I put about 200 images up.
在Flickr上設了個連結 I put a link on Flickr.
那一貼變得一發不可收拾 That post, it just went insane.
因此我就繼續這項任務 So I went on this mission
想湊齊她其他的作品 to piece together the rest of her work.
然後找到了其他買過箱子的人 And then I found the other people
我買回了他們的箱子 who bought boxes and I bought their boxes.
之後我有了所有底片 And then I had all these negatives
數量驚人的底片 like, insane amounts of negatives.
你總想瞭解誰是這些作品的主人呢 You always want to know,who is behind the work?
我只知道她名字叫薇薇安·邁爾 I just knew her name was Vivian Maier.
她是記者嗎 Was she a journalist?
她是專業攝影師嗎 Professional photographer?
我再孤狗她的名字 Let me just Google her name again
看看有什麼新的收穫 to see if there's anything up.
之後找到了一則訃聞 And I found an obituary
是那次搜索前幾天貼上的 that was placed just a few days before that search.
我在她那些遺物裡面找到了地址 I found an address in her stuff.
檢索了一些電話簿白頁後 And after some, like,white page searches,
我打電話說 I called and I said,
「我有薇薇安·邁爾作品的底片」 "I have the work, the negatives of Vivian Maier."
他說：「她是我的保姆」 And he's like,"That was my nanny."
他的保姆？ That was his nanny?
為什麼會是一個保姆 Why is a nanny...
拍了這所有照片? Taking all these photos?
他們告訴我她很怪異 What they started to tell me about her waswas strange.
他們說：「她是孤家寡人 They said,"She was kind of a loner.
「她一個家人都沒有 "She didn't have any family that we knew of.
她沒有感情生活 也沒有孩子 "She never had any love life or children that we knew of.
她卻像我們的母親「 But she was like our mother."
那就引起了我的好奇 So it just caught my curiosity.
所以我就說 「你有她的遺物嗎」 So what I said was,"Do you have any of her stuff?"
他們說：「我一直留著她的 And they said, "Well, I've been keeping up the bills"
「儲藏櫃的票據 "on her storage locker.
「我們想把這些遺物扔了 "We want to throw all this stuff out.
她是個撿破爛的」 She was a pack rat."
我說 「別 別 別 什麼都不要扔「 I said, "No, no, no, don't throw anything."
他說:你不明白 He's like,"You don't understand.
「她喜歡撿破爛 "She was a pack rat.
「我們會找個大垃圾鐵桶 "We're gonna get a dumpster.
"歡迎你來幫忙我們 "You're welcome to come and help us.
「你要是看到喜歡的 "If you see anything that you like
我們就不扔 你可以拿走」 that we're gonna throw out,you can have."
我只想盡快去瞭解她的生平 I just wanted to go find out who she was, just a quick thing.
我發現這個皮箱 I found this leather chest.
膠帶封著 It was, like, taped shut
箱子貼滿膠帶 with just, like, box tape or something.
所以我們就割開了它 And so we cut it and we opened it,
裝滿了許多卷未沖洗的軟片 and it was filled to the top with rolls of undeveloped film.
我拿起一個軟片盒 搖了搖 I took one canister and I shook it,
咯咯直響 and it rattled.
打開後發現裡面裝了牙齒 So I opened it,and there was teeth inside.
她的遺物塞滿了所有收集來的物件 She had stuff wedged and hidden in everything that she had,
就像她的這些小物的 almost like it's like a secret little hiding spot
秘密藏身處 for all of her little things.
優待券 便條 傳單 公車票 火車票 A coupon, a note, a flyer,bus passes to train cards,
她的帽子 鞋子 her hats, shoes,
她的外套 襯衫 her coats, her blouses.
我還有政府寄來的沒去兌現的 I have uncashed income tax checks
退稅支票 from the government
共計幾千美元 amounting to thousands of dollars.
我大概有十萬張底片 I have around 100,000 negatives.
七百卷未沖洗的彩色軟片 I have 700 rolls of undeveloped color film,
兩千卷未沖洗的黑白軟片 2,000 undeveloped rolls of blackandwhite film.
一切都要整理、掃瞄 I realized everything needs to be organized and scanned
和存檔 and archived.
可我一個人應付不過來 But it was more than I can handle myself.
所以我就想 「看看博物館會怎麼幫我」 So I thought, "Let's see what the museums will do to help me."
「也許還能在紐約現代藝術館展出 "Maybe I could get this into MoMA.
「也許還能在泰特現代美術館展出 Maybe I could get this into Tate Modern."
我給他們寫了信 這是回函 I sent them letters,and here is the reply.
「親愛的馬盧夫先生 我代表館長 "Dear Mr. Maloof, on behalf of the curators,
「感謝您考慮到 "I would like to thank you
「紐約現代藝術博物館的攝影部 "for thinking of the Department of Photography at MoMA.
「很遺憾本館此時無法安置 "Unfortunately,the museum cannot accommodate
這些攝影作品」 these photographs at this time."
那樣我就只好自己想辦法了 At that point, I just figured I'm on my own.
我要嘗試辦一場展覽 I'm gonna try to do an exhibition.
我要出書 I'm gonna do a book.
工作量太大了 It's an insane amount of work.
我癡迷這些東西 I'm kind of compulsive with stuff.
就是想讓人們來看看這麼棒的作品 I just wanted people to see this incredible work.
之後我在芝加哥文化中心 And I applied for a show
申請了一場展覽 at the Cultural Center in Chicago.
他們稱這場展覽的參觀人數 They said this was the biggest turnout
是史上最多的一次 for any artist they had ever had.
然後消息就傳開了 And then the story just took off.
街頭攝影的歷史 The history of street photography
目前正在被改寫 is currently being rewritten.
薇薇安·邁爾 薇薇安·邁爾 Vivian Maier. Vivian Maier.
薇薇安·邁爾 Vivian Maier?
避免了被塵封的悲劇 Saved from obscurity.
生前默默無聞 In death,she is getting the fame
生後聲名大振 that she never had in life.
約翰·馬盧夫仍在致力於研究 John Maloof is still working his way
邁爾的攝影底片 through all Maier's negatives.
我的使命是將薇薇安載入史冊 My mission is to put Vivian in the history books.
看這些作品的第一印象是 My first impression when I saw the work
一種伴隨著驚訝的喜悅感 was the kind of delight when a surprise comes your way
覺得一些至今未被發現的人 and you feel that somebody hitherto undiscovered
突然聲名大噪 suddenly makes their work available
作品確實不錯 and it looks good.
有種實在的眼光 It looks like there's an authentic eye
有種對人性 對攝影 and a real savvy about human nature
以及對街道真正的理解 and photography and the street.
這樣的好作品不是常有的 And that kind of thing doesn't happen that often.
我看過許多圖片 I see thousands of pictures.
每天都有人寄來要我看看他們的網站 Day after day, people send me their websites to look at,
每次點開瀏覽 and when I flick through them,
覺得大部分都普普通通 I feel most of them are undistinguished.
但薇薇安的作品具有對人性的感悟 But Vivian's work instantly had those qualities
對溫情與嬉鬧展現的特質 of human understanding and warmth and playfulness
我想：「這是個真正的攝影師啊」 that I thought,"This is a genuine shooter."
她有極厲害的眼光 She had a great eye.
非常好的取景感受力 Shegreat sense of framing.
她在看什麼啊 What is she looking at here?
我看不出——這是第一張 I can'tthis is the first one
是屁股沾了泥的建築工人 It's a muddy construction worker's butt.
天哪 My God.
她很有幽默感 She had a sense of humor
對悲劇的感受力 and a sense of tragedy.
漂亮 Beautiful.
她拍的小孩照片都很漂亮 Her photos of children are beautiful.
光影、環境處理得極好 Beautiful sense of light,environment
我是說 她全都具備 I mean, she had it all.
她拍的多不多 Was she very prolific?Did she shoot a lot?
總共有15萬張底片 In total, there'sabout 150,000 negatives.
她拍得真多 She shot a lot.
她從來沒給別人看她的作品嗎 She never showed her work to anybody?
我沒搞清楚呢 That's what I'm trying to figure out.
目前 還沒有 So far, no.
我覺得大家應該會喜愛她的作品 I think people would have loved her work.
可以說她甚至是愛用正方型格式 I mean, I could even say Robert Frank
的羅伯·弗蘭克 with a square format.
或塞特·莫德爾 Lisette Model?
絕對有海倫·樂薇的味道 Helen Levitt, definitely.
一些街頭攝影有著黛安娜·阿勃絲風格 Diane Arbus,some of the street portraits.
如果她早被人知曉 Had she made herself known,
現在就會是個有名的攝影師了 she would have become a famous photographer.
一定是哪裡出了問題 Something was wrong. Something
這是一個還沒搞清的謎 There'sthere's a piece of the puzzle missing.
很美 That's beautiful.
真的想瞭解 I really want to know,
為什麼薇薇安要拍這麼多影像 why did Vivian make these images?
是什麼讓她達到癡迷的程度 What drove her to such compulsion,
拍了這麼多照片 to an obsessive degree,to take so many pictures?
為什麼以前沒展示過 Why were they never shown?
我開始打開她所有遺物的箱子 I started to unbox all of her stuff.
我在找線索 她的收據 I'm finding leads, you know,receipts that she had.
可大部分收據是七十年代和八十年代的 But herher receipts are from the '70s and '80s,
70年代和八十年代的芝加哥 and in the '70s and '80s in Chicago,
還沒有電話區號 there was no area code.
我開始撥打這些電話號碼 And I started calling these phone numbers,
前面加上不同地區的區號 attaching every various area code
773, 312, 708, 847, 630, 815.
她以前是尤西斯金家族的保姆嗎？ Was she ever a nanny for the Usiskin family?
是的 Yes.
老天 My gosh!
是的 她以前住在隔壁 Yeah, she lived right next door.
因為薇薇安·邁爾是我小時候的保姆 所以我認識她 I know Vivian Maier because she was my childhood nanny...
大概有四年 For about four years,something like that.
她工作就是管家和保姆 Her job was as a housekeeper and a nanny.
薇薇安以前是我保姆 Vivian was my nanny.
薇薇安來過我們家 Vivian came into our lives
那時我們需要給母親找個看護 when we needed a caretaker for my mother.
當時我就盯著她看 我想 I was just staring at her,and I had thought,
「我姐從哪兒找來這位女士照看她孩子」 "Where did my sister find this lady to babysit her kids?"
她癡迷於保存記憶片段 She was obsessed with just saving bits of memories,
以及精彩瞬間 of moments in time.
她收集的那些東西 The stuff that she collected
讓我對她有更深的瞭解 all helped me understand her a little better.
我有很多薇薇安錄的錄音帶 I have dozens of audio tapes that Vivian made.
我有接近150捲 I have around 150
8米厘和16米厘的影片 8millimeter and 16millimeter movies.
我發現了(脫口秀明星)菲爾·唐納修的照片 I found pictures of Phil Donahue,
居家的 逗狗的 吃飯的 like, in his home,petting a dog and at dinner.
我是個單身父親 和四個兒子 住在伊利諾州 I was a single parent in Winnetka, Illinois,
溫尼卡市 with four sons.
偶然遇到薇薇安 Along comes Vivian.
我在餐館跟她見面 I met her in a diner
要面試她的這份管家工作 to interview her for this housekeeper job.
她給我拍了張相片 She took my picture.
我當時經常來回奔波 I was a guy running back and forth over my shoes.
一天一場節目，有時兩場 I had to do a program every day, sometimes two.
我不想太麻煩 I didn't want any trouble.
我只想要雙乾淨襪子 I justyou know, I just wanted clean socks.
她跟我們在一起不到一年 She was with us less than a year.
我記得她往垃圾桶拍照 I have a memory of her taking a picture inside a garbage can.
我想「你知道 他們嘲笑過畢卡索」 I thought, "Well, you know,they laughed at Picasso."
我不知道 I didn't know.
我是說 我沒想太多 I mean, I didn't give it much thought.
不覺得她瘋狂 I didn't think she was crazy.
薇薇安也自拍 Vivian took selfportraits.
在我腦海裡面 我不知道 In my mind, I don't know
這個人的形象 what image I had of this person,
但絕不會是我發現的這些照片形象 but it was definitely not the image that I uncovered.
她給人一種與眾不同的感覺 She came across as unusual.
她穿著一件挺大的外套 戴著氈帽 She wore big, big coats,felt hats.
1925年挺流行這樣的穿著打扮 The kind of thing that might have been popular in 1925.
她總把自己裹得嚴嚴實實的 She was always kind of hiding her figure
穿著厚厚的衣服和靴子 you know, wearing these heavy clothes and these boots.
常有人叫她「軍靴」 They used to call her "Army Boots."
她個子挺高 She was very tall.
七英尺吧？ Seven feet?
哪有！ No!
7英尺 她很高 Seven feet. She was tall.
她一定有5.9英尺 She must have been about 5'9".
6英尺？ Six foot?
她喜歡穿男士襯衫 She liked wearing men's shirts.
她穿男士襯衫 She wore men's shirts.
她好像說剪裁會更好 I think she said the tailoring was better.
她頭髮剪的很齊整 She'd have kind of ajust a straight blunt cut.
她頭髮翹翹的 She had hair that stuck straight up.
現在回想一下 Now, looking back,
覺得她穿的像 I would say she kind of dressed
50年代蘇聯時期 like you would expect to find women factory workers
工廠女工 in the Soviet Union in the '50s or something.
她就是這麼走路的 That's how she walked.
她這樣甩胳膊 You have to swing your arms up like this,
有種納粹行軍的感覺 and you have to do a sort of a Nazi march.
你會看到她騎著機動自行車 You'd see her on her little motorized bicycle.
記得有時覺得她看起來像 I mean, I remember sometimes thinking
西方邪惡女巫 she kind of looked like the Wicked Witch of the West.
脖子上總掛台相機 Always had her camera around her neck.
脖子上總掛著相機 Always the camera around her neck.
她有台大相機 She had, like,this great camera with
記得是一台方形的羅萊福來相機 I remember it was a square Rolleiflex.
你一按開這個 You flip open the thing,
就能直接從觀景窗看 and you look through the viewfinder directly down.
我一直想有台雙眼的羅萊照相機 I'd lusted after a twinlens Rolly,
她有一台 and here she had one.
我看著那台相機 And I looked at that camera,
看上去相當舊 and it looked like it was rather old.
羅萊是很棒的偽裝相機 You see, the Rolleiflex is a great disguise camera...
因為不是像這樣舉起來拍 Because it wasn't up here,
等於告訴街上的人 where she had to alert somebody on the street
她正在拍照 that she was photographing.
擺到下面，她可以掩藏自己 She could be sort of secretive down here.
相機從下邊拍 The camera was shooting from below,
給她的照片一種高大感 and it gave her pictures a kind of towering magnitude.
有張一個傢伙的照片 There's a picture of a guy.
他只是個街上平平凡凡的人 He's just an ordinary street guy,
卻有著力道和尊嚴 but he has a power and dignity.
他站在那裡，瞧著她 And he's standing there,and he's looking at her.
如果你注意到他的視線 If you look at his eye line,
他是正瞧著她的臉哩 he's looking right into her face,
她也許往下看著，在對焦 and she probably looked down and focused
而後抬眼直視著他 and then looked right up at him.
他也朝他看，她就按下了快門 And he looked at her, and she fired the shutter.
街頭攝影師向來很合群 Street photographers tend to be gregarious
因為他們可以走上街 in the sense that they can go out on the street
他們在人群裡很自在 and they're comfortable being among people,
但他們在合群的同時 but they're also a funny mixture of solitaries
也是個有意思的孤獨的結合體 at the same time as being gregarious.
你觀察、擁抱、投入 You observe and you embrace and you take in,
但你也得後退，盡可能隱形 but you stay back and you try to stay invisible.
她不喜歡談自己 She didn't like to talk about herself.
我認識的某些人，他們很開放 Some people I meet, and they're very open.
她不是個開放的人。她保守封閉 She was not an open person; She was a closed person.
她住在我們家三樓的閣樓 She lived on the third floor, in our attic,
她最先請求我的其中一件事 and one of the first things she asked me for
就是請裝一道鎖 was please to put in a lock
這樣她可以鎖起她的安全地帶 so that she could lock her area securely.
這可真是個慎重其事的鎖啊 It was a real serious lock.
她很神秘 She was mysterious.
她說不要開這道門去她房間 She said don't ever open this door to her room.
我覺得她跟我交朋友 I think she made friends with me
是因為她打量我半天，覺得我夠壯 because she sized me up and thought I was strong enough
搬得動她那些箱子 to lift a bunch of boxes for her.
我的車斷了彈簧 I broke the springs of my car.
可想而知我搬的箱子有多重 I think that gives you an idea of how much weight I lifted.
她說她帶來了全部家當 She mentioned that she brought her life with her,
就是一大推箱子 which meant a number of boxes.
我們說「沒問題」——因為我們有個車庫 We said, "Sure, no problem," 'cause we had a garage.
她的房間有陽台 There was a porch off of the room, you know,
那種可以睡覺的陽台 sort of those sleeping porches.
堆了滿滿的箱子 And it was piled high with boxes.
我們把它們擺進車庫 We put them in our garage, which, fortunately,
車庫幸好可停上兩輛車 was a 2 U2 oar garage for two oars,
我們擺進去之後 and so we had this
從兩輛車的車庫 It became a twocar garage.
變成了沒有空間的兩車位車庫 It becamebecame a tight twocar garage.
現在，當然，我們永遠沒法得知 Now, of course, we'll never know
箱子裡她有多少照片 how much the boxes were her photographs
還有她有多少箱子 and how much the boxes were
約翰知道啊 John knows.
可是她的箱子真的很多 Well, but she had so many boxes.
我想知道妳為什麼要密藏 I'd like to know why you would hoard
所有的這些偉大藝術品 all of this great art.
為——什麼妳不願分享 Why wouldwhy wouldn't you share it?
如果沒人看，拍了又有什麼意義？ What's the point of taking it if no one sees it?
真的很傷心啊 It's so sad, really.
很傷心 It's really sad.
如果能將全部照片拿給她看 If you could have just shown her all the pictures
把她按在椅子上 and held her down in a chair somewhere
讓她沒法動 so she couldn't
往她嘴上貼膠布，這樣她就沒法拒絕 put a tape on her mouth so she couldn't tell you no.
這位女子很有獨創性 Obviously, the woman was so creative,
只當個女傭，應該非常 and it must have been galling to just, you know,
卑屈 be a maid.
洗地板，準備三餐 Wash the floors, making some lunch and dinner,
當保姆照看孩子 taking care of kids as a nanny.
我手頭有些1951年的早期照片 Some of the early photos I have are from 1951.
其中一張背面寫著「沃克家，南安普頓」 One of them said on the back, "The Walkers, Southampton."
我很驚喜看到 I was surprised to see the photographs
我祖父母房子的照片 of my grandparents' house.
我們一直叫做潮汐盡頭 We always called it Tides' End.
看到如此破舊實在太訝異了 It's amazing to see it so dilapidated.
以前這裡全是花 This was flowers.
我們在外頭午餐喝茶 We'd have lunches out here and tea, and...
很棒喔 it was wonderful.
薇薇安可能夏天來度假 Vivian probably spent the summer.
她可能是紐約過來的保姆 She was probably a nanny out of New York,
跟著這家人和孩子 tagging along with the family and the children.
以前啊，父親在紐約上班 In those days, your father worked in New York
星期五搭火車過來，禮拜天回去 and came out by train on Friday and went back on Sunday.
我不覺得這種生活有多少改變 I don't think that's changed very much.
現在如果去海濱俱樂部 If you go to the beach club today
走下沙灘 and go down on the sand,
你會看到那裡很多保姆 you'll see the nannies there.
這些女人有些很幸運 Some of these women have been lucky enough
能夠來到美國定居 to make their way up here to the United States.
有個女生幫我忙，做了五六年了 The girl who helps me, this is her fifth or sixth year here.
伊啥密名？ What's her name?
Olivia.
很可愛很可愛的人哩 Delightful, delightful person.
我蠻喜歡她 I love her dearly.
她不大會講英語，我則不太會西班牙語 She speaks very little English, and I speak very little Spanish.
但我們相處得很好 We get along beautifully.
據說她只有幾個朋友 It's been written about that she had few friends.
我把自己當成她的朋友之一 And I consider myself one of those friends.
我蠻喜歡她 I liked her a lot.
她是很棒的人 She was a terrific person.
1962年，我住高地公園區 In 1962, I lived in Highland Park.
我有幾個小孩童 I had a lot of small children.
我經常在家 I was home a lot.
我的一個孩子跟她照看 One of my children was friendly
的其中一個孩子很好 with one of the boys she took care of.
小孩子嘛，總是互相串門 The children, they were always at each other's houses,
她就會過來，我們聊得很愉快 and she would come by, and we had good conversations
孩子一直在我們身邊亂跑 with kids swirling around us all the time.
我家非常自由開放 I had a very freewheeling, open household.
規矩不多 There weren't a lot of rules
除了「別給我死在馬路上」之類 you know, "Don't get killed in the street."
她喜歡孩子，孩子也喜歡她 She loved the children, and the children loved her.
她對孩子們很好 She was wonderful to the children...
我覺得她愛他們 I think probably loved them
就跟她愛其他任何人一樣 as much as she probably loved anybody.
敲敲門 Knock, knock!
蘋果 Apple.
蘋果敲敲門 Apple knock, knock.
誰啊？ Who's there?
蘋果 Apple.
敲敲門 Knock, knock.
誰啊 Who's there?
敲敲門 Knock, knock.
誰在敲門啊？ Knock, knock who?
天啊 God.
先生啊 Well, gentlemen...
我覺得她年輕時，是個 I think she was quite lively
活潑美好的人 and wonderful person in her younger years.
我是說，她都帶來喜悅 I mean, she must have been a delight.
我看得出他們有多崇拜她 I can see how they worshipped her,
因為她會去作一般父母可能 because she was doing the adventures
不會做的冒險活動 that normally a parent would probably not do.
有她在身邊，生活更新奇了 Life was more adventurous with her around.
對於孩子們的日常生活 She was very opinionated
應該怎麼過，她相當固執己見 about how children should spend their time
而孩子們主要是 and mainly how they should spend it
跟她一起出去過 was out and about with her.
她推著裡邊有嬰兒的嬰兒車， She would load up the stroller
帶著她的包包跟兩個小孩 with the baby and her bag and both kids,
他們就這麼外出啦 and off they would go on outings.
他們有固定路線 And they had their routine.
艾芬頓鬧區有間馬歇菲爾德百貨公司 There was a Marshall Field's in downtown Evanston,
一樓有個糖果櫃檯 and it had a candy counter on the first floor.
那經常是第一站 Well, that was always the first stop
因為有很多免費試吃品 because there were always free samples.
她非常著迷 She would avail herself very heartily
免費的試吃樣品 of the free samples,
其實是說，這樣，一大把 meaning, like, dump!
她抓一大把Frango薄荷糖 You know, she'd dump the whole tray of Frango mints
直接丟進包包就走人 into her purse and walk away.
後來突然間我們都沒有去 We stopped going there all of a sudden,
我相信她是被馬歇菲爾德百貨 but I believe that she was kicked out
公司給永遠趕出去啦 of Marshall Field's permanently.
我很清晰的記憶是···· A really clear memory is her setting up to take photos
她拍沒穿衣服的服飾模型 of all these naked mannequins.
有些沒有頭 Some of them were headless.
有些則栽倒在地面上 Some of them were toppled over a little bit.
雖然可能會是很棒的照片 I mean, it'll be probably an amazing photograph,
但對於一個孩童，感覺實在沒完沒了 but as a child, it was taking forever,
站在街角 standing there on the corner of the street,
等著這奇怪女士拍攝 waiting while this weird lady takes pictures
沒穿衣服、沒頭的服飾模型 of these naked, headless mannequins.
然後他們會外出 Then they would go out
去大街小巷找垃圾 and they would look in the alleys for junk,
因為她愛做這種事 because that was what she liked to do.
她會帶幾件金屬品、舊家具 She would come home with pieces of metal,
然後我們瞧著 old furniture, and we would look at it.
「這是藝術品嗎？不是藝術品嗎？」 "Is this art? Is this not art?
「這是什麼？可能有用哦 "What is this? This could be useful.
可能有時會用得到哦。」 This could come in handy sometime."
我弟弟，羅比 My brother, Robbie,
他放學騎車回家 he was riding his bike home from school,
被汽車給撞了 and he got hit by a car.
他躺在馬路中間 He was sort of laying in the middle of the street,
來了一輛救護車，他呢 and an ambulance was coming, and he
他說的，我不知道是不是真的 and he saysand I don't know if this is true,
他一直說薇薇安在拍 but he always said that Vivian was taking pictures of him
他躺在地上的照片 laying on the ground.
而不是像是問候「羅比，你沒事吧？」 It wasn't like, "Robbie, you okay?"
這樣的舉止 or anything.
反而是，「喔，這張照片好」 It was more just, "This is a good photo op."
我媽媽開車過來 My mother drove up
看到我弟躺在路上 and saw my brother lying in the street.
她說「我還以為是狗被撞了」 She said, "I thought the dogs got hit."
薇薇安真是超脫世俗 Vivian was just kind of above the fray,
我還記得當時想的—— and I remember thinking, you know,
「這薇薇安竟跟平時一樣在拍照」 "There's Vivian taking pictures as usual."
她很了解當時政治上和 She was aware of what was going on
社會上發生了什麼事 in politics and society at the time.
她會攜帶這台卡帶錄音機 She would bring this cassette recorder,
去超級市場 and she goes to the supermarket.
然後問排著隊的人 And she's asking people in line...
嗨，卡爾 嗨 Hi, Carl. Hi.
我的裝備採訪著你哦 I got you with my machine.
我很好奇你對所有這些政治事件 I was wondering if you had anything to say
有著什麼看法 about all this political scene.
呃 關於尼克森等等等 Well... About Nixon and so on.
我覺得這是國內應該會 I think that it happened the Way it should
發生的最好的事情吧 for the best of the country.
而且對未來的政客 And maybe it'll be a Warning
算是個警告吧 To future politicians.
不錯啊 不錯啊 That's right. That's right.
那你對總統彈劾案有何看法？ But What did you think of the impeachment?
說說看嘛 你在拍我嗎？ Well, come on. Am I on tape'?
是啊。說吧 Yes, you are. Come on.
我不知道啦 I don't know.
你應該有自己的意見的 Well, you should have an opinion.
女人應該有自己的見解，我覺得 Women are supposed to be opinionated, I hope.
說啦 Come on.
她拍過一部電影 There's one movie that she made
裡邊有張字條 that has a note in it.
寫說「1972年芝加哥母嬰命案」 And it says, "1972 Chicago murder of mother and baby."
「她去市場找到育嬰工作的廣告 "Market where she found ad for babysitting job,
結果導致失蹤與死亡」 which had led to disappearance and death."
然後你看到她走進超市 Then you see her walking to the supermarket.
以保姆的步伐走進去 She's walking in the babysitters footsteps.
你看到她走訪鄰里 You see her walking to the neighborhood.
我就想那裡會不會是案發現場 I just wonder if that's where the crime happened.
她去殯儀館 She goes to the funeral home.
她就像 She's kind of...
那個時代的記者一樣 a journalist of the era, like
但通常你會呈現給人們 but usually you do that to show people, you know,
展示發生過的事情 to show this is what happened.
她則不然 She just did it.
1977年某日，我開車在謝利丹路 One day in 1977, I was driving on Sheridan Road,
有人招手想搭便車 and someone flagged me for hitchhiking.
很多人做過 Plenty of people do that.
結果這人是薇薇安·邁爾 Turned out to be Vivian Maier.
1972年時我遇到薇薇安時 When I met Vivian back in 1972,
我剛從西北大學研究院畢業 I was in grad school at Northwestern.
在語言實驗室工作 And I worked in the language lab,
實驗室出現形形色色稀奇古怪的人 and it was not at all unusual
其實一點也不奇怪 for eccentric people to be coming through the lab.
她是法國人 She was French.
可以說她幾乎沒有口音 She had lost most of her accent, I would say.
她當時的假裝馬上驚嚇到我 She affected what at the time struck me instantly
跟假的法國口音一樣 as a fake French accent.
有人說她口音是假的 Some people have said she had a fake accent,
但其實不對 but this isthis is not true.
我的學位是語言學 My degree is in linguistics.
我有語言學博士學位 I have a PhD in linguistics.
事實上，這就是假的口音 And the truth is, it was a fake accent.
我正巧看了那部電影 I happened to see the film
啟示錄四騎士（1962） The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse,
我也許字的發音 and I'm probably not pronouncing
不怎麼正確 the word right, and...
那聲音抑揚頓挫 There's the lilting sound of it, you know?
「我搞不懂 "I don't really know
「你要我做什麼 "what you want me to do,
「但妳必須做，結束了還要再來 "but you have to do it and come over later,
到時就一切都沒事啦」 and then everything will be okay."
她的聲音，上去又下來 Her voice, it seemed like it went up and down.
你知道我說的嗎 You know what I'm saying?
呃～～～ Oooooh.
她發的母音比法語母音稍長 Her vowels were longer in duration than French vowels.
你知道 這就是···· I mean, you know, this is theI did a
我的碩士論文就是關於法語母音音長的 my master's thesis was on vowel duration in French,
所以我是有點背景的哦 so I had a little bit of background in it.
我認為有人把自己的英語口音圓潤化了 I believe it's someone who had polished their English accent,
然後丟了些法語口音 having then lost some of their French accent.
你不想看一下我的畢業論文，所以··· You don't want to see a copy of my dissertation, so...
呃 Well...
真的，你不想看 No, you don't, really.
我問她的名字 I asked her her name.
她頓了頓，我記得 She kind of paused. I remember that.
她說「叫我史密斯吧」 And she said, "Call me Smith."
非常明顯 I mean, it was very clear
她不想告訴我她的名字 she didn't want to tell me her name.
我心想「奇怪耶」 I thought, "This is weird."
她一直都是我們客戶 She had been a customer of ours.
說真的，她是個討厭鬼 She was a pain in the neck, to be truthful.
我們為她保留貨品長達一年 We held things for her for as long as a year.
我們問她「你什麼名字」 We would say, "What's your name?"
「我不告訴你」 "I'm not going to tell you."
「沒名字，我們沒法保留」 "Well, we can't keep it without a name."
「好吧，V.史密斯小姐」 "All right, Miss V. Smith."
哈哈哈，V.史密斯小姐 You know, ha ha ha, Miss V. Smith.
很明顯她不是V.史密斯小姐 It was patently obvious that she was not Miss V. Smith.
我們就說「好吧，那手機號碼」 And we'd say, "Okay, phone number."
「我沒手機」 "I don't have a phone."
「如有必要，我們怎麼 "Well, how are we gonna get in touch with you
跟妳取得聯絡？」 if we need to?"
「不用啊」 "Well, you won't."
她為什麼給我們假名？ Why was she giving us a fake name?
我們並沒有想太多 We didn't think as much about it as you are.
現在看來，她的名字拼寫也不同 Now, she spelled her name differently.
少女時期，邁爾裡有個B There's Bas in boyMaier.
邁爾拼寫的每種可能組合 Every possible combination of ways you could spell Maier
Meyer, Maier, Mayer.
我們總是叫她邁爾小姐 We always called her Miss Maier.
邁爾斯小姐 Miss Maiers.
她說「叫我薇薇」 She said, "Call me Viv."
你永遠不會叫這個女人「薇薇」的啦 You would never have called this woman "Viv."
薇薇安 Vivian.
沒人叫她薇薇？ Nobody called her Viv?
沒，都叫薇薇安 No, Vivian.
為什麼妳不告訴別人真名？ Why wouldn't you want to tell people your real name?
我問她是做什麼的 I asked her what she did,
她的回答讓我終生難忘 and her answer was another thing I'll never forget.
「我是個間諜」 "I'm sort of a spy."
她真是這麼說的 That's exactly what she said.
我還能看到她這麼說的樣子，還言猶在耳 I can still see her and hear her saying it.
非常奇怪吧 It was so odd.
我覺得唯一這麼說的人 I think the only person who says that
絕對不會是間諜 is somebody who's definitely not a spy.
妳為什麼這麼說 Why would you say that?
也許她想成為別人 Maybe she wanted to be somebody else.
我們很多人怎麼做 A lot of us do that.
她如果沒有保姆這份工作 If she did not have this job as the babysitter,
她的生活方式就很容易理解 her lifestyle would have been very understandable.
真正的問題是，她為什麼做這種工作？ The real question is, why did she do this kind of work?
她的睿智和她的觀點 Her intelligence and her views on things,
把自己的工作保密似乎 there was something very precious to her
對她來說很重要 about keeping them secret.
薇薇安也許是看不起那些僱用 Vivian may have looked down, so to speak, on the employers
她做這種低薪工作的雇主 who were hiring her for this lowpaying kind of work.
她把自己看成窮人 She identified with the poor.
她說她不看醫生 I mean, she said she doesn't go to a doctor.
她沒有任何醫療保險 She doesn't have any medical insurance.
我說「妳妳會擔心這個嗎」 And I said, "Are youare you worried about that?"
她說「窮人太窮了不能死啊」 And she said, "The poor are too poor to die."
她告訴我她第一次來紐約時 She told me that when she first came to New York,
是去一家縫紉uehan血汗工廠上班 she went to work in a sewing sweatshop.
她意識到會有想做點事情的那麼一天 She realized one day that she wanted to do something
她可以出去外面的世界 where she could be outside and in the world, out and about,
看得見太陽，所以她做了保姆 and see the sun, so she took up nannying.
她覺得這工作給她一定的自由 She felt that it gave her a certain amount of freedom.
有人提供住所給她 Somebody else was providing the shelter for her.
她不用太賣力工作 She wasn't having to work so hard
只要收支可以相抵 just to make ends meet.
所以她有自由時間用來攝影 So she had some free time for her photographic endeavors.
1959年 1959.
薇薇安告訴雇主，「我要去世界旅行」 Vivian told her employer, "I'm going to travel the world,
「我8個月後回來」 and I'll be back in eight months."
她去了曼谷、印度、泰國 She went to Bangkok, India, Thailand,
埃及、也門 Egypt, Yemen,
南美洲所有國家 all of South America.
她獨自旅行 She traveled by herself...
就她和她的相機 Just her and her camera.
她的世界旅行拍了幾千張照片 There are thousands of photos from her world travels.
你認為薇薇安會喜歡 Do you think Vivian would like
她引發的關注嗎？ the attention that she's getting?
我覺得她是一個很 不知道吶 I think she was a very I don't know.
應該不會吧 I don't think so.
我覺得她是個很重隱私的人 I think she was more of a very private person.
我是覺得她可能會把這些 I don'tl think she might have seen this
看成是對她的侵犯你知道 as kind of an intrusion, you know?
我會不由自主地覺得有點不舒服或內疚 I can't help but to feel a little uncomfortable or guilty
曝光了一個不願曝光的人的作品 exposing the work of a person who did not want to be exposed.
她非常神秘 She was so secretive.
我覺得她會願意自己的藝術作品受到尊崇 I think that she would like her artwork to be honored,
但我覺得她個人不會喜歡 But I don't think she personally would have liked
引人注目 being in the limelight.
我覺得不會 I don't.
她絕不會讓這種事發生的 She would never have let this happen
絕不會讓自己出名 had she known about it.
不會，她絕不會這麼做 No, she never would have let it.
那是她的寶貝 Sheshethat was her babies.
她不會把她的寶貝拿出來現 She wouldn't have put her babies on display.
但我不認為所有她拍的那些照片 But I don't think she took all those photographs
是為了埋沒在塵埃裡 for them to just dissolve into dust.
我覺得她拍那些照片是要被看到 I think she took those photographs to be seen.
我發現事件的神秘性 I find the mystery of it more interesting
比她的作品本身更有意思 than her work itself.
我想知悉更多關於這個人的事蹟 I'd love to know more about this person.
光是透過她的作品你辦不到 And I don't think you can do that through her work.
所以她什麼都沒告訴你 So she didn't tell you anything
關於她來自哪裡，她的背景？ about where she came from, her background?
你什麼都不瞭？ You didn't know anything?
沒人打聽嗎？ Nobody pried into that?
沒有啊，真的沒有 No, Inot really.
妳知道關於薇薇安任何事情—— Did you know anything about Vivian
她的家人、她的過去嗎？ her family, her past'?
不知 No.
很不可思議，不是嗎 It's amazing, isn't it,
你跟某人友好了10年 that you're friendly with someone for, like, ten years
你卻對這個人只知道 and that you don't know anything more about them than...
這麼多 this much?
我們總以為她是法國人 We always thought she was French.
現在她竟成了奧地利人啦？ Now, she's kind of, what, Austrian?
她不是來自阿爾薩斯洛林地區嗎？ I mean, she's from Alfrom AlsaceLorraine or something?
她來自紐約 She's from New York.
來自紐約？ From New York?
啥密意思，來自紐約？ What do you mean, from New York?
嗯，她生在紐約 Well, she was born in New York.
是嗎 She was?
她生在紐約 She was born in New York.
不會吧 No, really?
我以為她生於歐洲 I thought she was born in Europe.
我以為她是法國人 I thought she was French.
那她的口音哪裡來的？ How did she acquire that accent?
紐約市 國家檔案館 So...
薇薇安是哪裡人？ where's Vivian from?
她是紐約人，生於1926年2月1日 She's from New York City, born February 1st of 1926.
從專業立場來說 Speaking from a professional standpoint,
拿我過去做的來比較 compared to what I've done in the past,
這絕對可以排在高難度名單上 this has ranked up real high on the list of difficulty.
每一家庭通常對其住址會 The families usually have some consistency
維持一致性 as to where they're located.
至少我做過的公開記錄 Lat least have them in public record
我能找到關於他們的訊息 where I can find information about them,
但這個例外 not like this one.
整個家族都很神秘 The whole family is a mystery family.
我們知曉薇薇安·邁爾的二三事 There's a few things that we know about Vivian Maier.
一，我們知道她沒結過婚 One, we know that she was never married.
她是高齡未婚 She was a spinster.
她沒丈夫、沒孩子 She had no husband. She had no children.
她父母雙亡 Her parents are both dead.
薇薇安有兄弟，是個哥哥 Vivian did have a brother, an older brother.
他可能過世了 Clearly, he's probably dead.
所有人似乎都很神秘 All of them seem to be private.
所有人似乎都不想 All of them seem to want nothing to do
跟其他家人有任何牽連 with the rest of their families.
所有人似乎都跟 All of them seem to be disconnected
家族其他人沒有聯絡 from the remainder of their family.
她有個姑姑，把一切都留給 She had one aunt who was to leave everything
她的一個朋友，而不是家人 to a friend in her will not to family but to a friend
這就是為什麼 and this is the reason why.
她這裡說——我直接引用她的遺囑 She says hereand I'm quoting directly from her will
「我沒有任何東西留給我的親人 "I make no provision for any of my relatives
「因為最熟悉我的 "for reasons best known to me
是我私交較好的幾個友人」 which I have disclosed to a few of my intimate friends."
1965年阿爾瑪過世時 At the time of Alma's death in 1965,
她唯一的侄女薇薇安還活著啊 Vivian was obviously alive, her only niece.
不管她的困擾是什麼，全跟她進了墳墓 Whatever her hangup was, it went to the grave with her.
薇薇安的父親很早就過世了 Vivian's father was out of the picture very early on.
所以戶口普查記錄顯示薇薇安和母親一起生活 So the census records show that Vivian's living with her mother.
但我知悉她在法國住過一段時間 But I did know that she lived in France for a while
她母親是法國人 and that her mother was from France.
所以我猜她在法國有家人 So my guess was that there was family in France,
因為1949年的照片 because the thing is, the 1949 photos
和1959年的照片都是同個村子 and the 1959 photos are the same village.
所以我知道她是回到同一個地方 So I know she was returning to the same place.
我開始查閱她從法國帶回的遺物 So I started looking up all the stuff that she had from France.
我開始查看法國的照片 I started looking at the photographs of France, 727 00:41的:55,539 --> 00:41:57,917 看那些小鎮和教堂尖塔 looking at the little towns and the church steeples
這座教堂的尖塔長怎樣 and how this church steeple looks
那座教堂的尖塔長怎樣 and how that church steeple looks
在這個小村莊裡 in this little village.
我也上網去 And I would go on the internet,
查看法國的一些小村莊 and I would look up little villages in France
去找相應的尖塔 and try to match the steeples.
就像進行指紋配對 It's like matching a fingerprint.
我知道至少有一個村子 I knew I had at least one of the villages
是她曾去過的 that she was in found...
聖朱利安和聖波內特 SaintJulien and SaintBonnet
這個偏遠的小小牧羊人村子 in this remote little sheepherder village
坐落法國阿爾卑斯山，人口兩百五十 in the French Alps, population 250.
你找到她的小鎮也許是對她的冒犯 She might have been offended that you found her little town.
這跟你無關啊 That was none of your business.
她可能會說「天～啊 She might say, "God, God."
他為什麼這麼做？」 Why did he do that?"
不知為什麼，我的好奇心超強 For some reason, my curiosity is overwhelming
想找出薇薇安的更多事情 to find out more about Vivian.
我發現了一個藝術家 I'm uncovering an artist.
如果不把這塊巨石翻過 If I'm leaving this giant boulder unturned
如果我不去那裡，一定會鑄下錯誤 because I don't go here, it would be a mistake.
薇薇安拍的 Vivian took this.
你確定？ -完全確定 Are you sure? -Yeah, 100%.
我也有同樣一張 I have this same print.
這張照片是薇薇安拍的。這是她沖洗的 Vivian took this picture. This is her print.
他說「你不高興嗎？」 He says, "Aren't you happy?"
她的箱式相機(蛇腹相機) Her box camera.
我也有一個類似的 I have- l have a similar one.
不是，那是她母親的相機 No, that's her mom's camera.
薇薇安的媽媽？ Vivian's mom?
那是薇薇安 -是啊 That's Vivian? Yes.
哇 Wow.
我在薇薇安的遺物找到這封信 Another thing I found in Vivian's stuff was this letter.
用法文寫的 It was written in French,
裡頭提到法國一家攝影實驗室 and it's talking about a photography lab in France.
你可以這麼做 You can do like this.
是，是 Oui, oui.
信這樣起頭「親愛的西蒙先生」 The letter starts out, "Dear Mr. Simon."
哇 Wow.
之前我們以為薇薇安無意 Previously, we thought Vivian had no intentions
讓任何人沖印或展示她的作品 of having anybody else print her work or show her work.
這封信證明那種猜想錯了 This letter proves that assumption wrong.
薇薇安知道她是個優秀的攝影師 Vivian knew she was a good photographer,
她知道這些照片是優秀的 and she knew that these photographs were good.
她想展示給人 She wanted to show them to people.
她活著時或許沒能做到 She may not have had that happen while she was alive,
可我們現在在做了 but we're doing it now.
我不再審查自己了 I stopped scanning myself,
因為無法堅持下去 because I just couldn't keep up with it.
紐約有家實驗室有技術掃描她的作品 There's a lab in New York with technicians scanning her work
週一到週五。9點到5點 Monday through Friday, 9:00 to 5:00,
一星期一千張的速度 at a rate of about a few thousand a week.
我一直在沖洗那些黑白軟片 I've been developing the blackandwhite film,
所以還有幾百張要洗 so I have about a couple hundred left to develop.
過程極複雜麻煩 It's a very complicated and tricky procedure,
因為你得弄好配方 because you have to get the formula correct,
僅只一次機會做好 and there's only one chance to get it right.
相當神奇 It's it's magical.
我們不知道她會沖印些什麼 We don't know what she would have printed,
會挑選或者編輯什麼 what she would have chosen or edited.
我們第一次看到 We're seeing work now for the first time
薇薇安本人從未看過的作品 that Vivian never saw herself.
(霍華·葛林伯格畫廊) 你聯絡我的時候，我不確定 When you contacted me, I wasn't sure
是否要參與 if I wanted to get involved in a project
沖印遺作的案子 with posthumous prints.
我只是覺得不太適合畫廊 I just didn't think it would be the right fit for the gallery.
這是我們存放照片的地方 This is the room where we store our photographs.
裡邊有兩萬五千至三萬張照片 I think there are about 25,000 to 30,000 photographs in here.
比大部分博物館還多 I mean, it's more than most museums have.
薇薇安·邁爾，我們對她的作品 Vivian Maier, we've had more interest in this work
與跟我合作過的任何其他攝影師相比 than perhaps any other photographer
我們對她更感興趣 I've ever worked with.
這是個大問題 It's a big problem
想把她的作品弄進大的機構 trying to get her work into institutions.
問題在藝術世界體制 The problem is that the art world establishment
還不認可薇薇安的作品 still won't recognize Vivian's work.
博物館通常處理終末的作品 Museums usually deal with the final product,
照片都是藝術家 the print that was made by the artist
在世時就沖印好的 in the artist's life.
他們不想從一個藝術家的遺作裡 They don't want to interpret an artist's work
去詮釋其作品 from where they left off.
那是捏造的，因為蓋瑞·威諾葛蘭（1928-1984美國最有名的街頭攝影家） That's bogus, because Garry Winogrand
有滿滿一桌軟片從未沖洗 had a desk full of rolls of film that he never developed.
於是他們沖洗了 So they're developing them.
尤金·阿基特的作品是死後才沖印的 Eugène Atget's work was printed after his death
結果被紐約現代藝術博物館收藏 and then ended up being acquired by MoMA.
這太令人沮喪了 I mean, it's frustrating, because it's being done, and
因為沒人願意出版薇薇安的作品 but nobody wants to do it for Vivian's work.
她的確印行了些作品 She did print some of her work,
卻多不是最好的作品 but it was largely not the best edit of her work.
她是個大師級的攝影師 She was a masterful photographer,
但沖印不是她家的事 but printing was not her thing.
不過這很正常 That's common, though.
卡迪爾·布列松不喜歡沖印 I mean, Cartier Bresson hated printing,
而羅伯·佛蘭克沖印不佳 and Robert Frank wasn't a good printer,
但他們僱用沖印師啊 but they hire printers.
他們僱人幫他們沖印 They hire somebody to print for them.
好作品就是好作品 Good work is good work,
總會被認可為真正傑作 and it's recognized that this is really great art.
我真的認為她的作品值得全世界欣賞 I do think her work needs to be appreciated by by the world.
這些是新沖印的？ These are the new prints?
是的 Yeah.
酷，很正 Cool. Yeah, these are great.
謝謝你的展示 Thank you for showing me.
歸你囉 They're yours.
這個工作能繼續往前進的唯一方法 The only way this work can move forward
就是有錢好辦事 is if there's money that is made.
賣照片是一部分 The sale of prints will be a part of that.
當然我更希望可以直接資助 Of course I wish that I could give her money,
你知道 you know.
她過世了 She's gone.
我無可奈何 I mean, there's nothing I can do.
她一直有著資金問題 She always had a money problem.
天知道她可能把錢用去哪裡 God knows she probably could have used the money.
真遺憾她10年前沒被發現 It's too bad she wasn't discovered ten years earlier.
大理石 Marble.
對，你們倆 Yeah, you two.
這是邁爾的照片，在右下角 Here's the picture of Miss Maiers right in the corner.
我不會叫她薇薇安，因為 And I wouldn't call her "Vivian," because,
你如果這麼叫她 you know, she'd have your guts for garters
她會把你的五臟挖出來 if you called her that.
不能叫「太太」，不能叫「薇薇安」 Not "Missus," not "Vivian."
要叫邁爾小姐 She was Miss Maiers.
我5歲到11歲這期間，她是 She was my governess from when I was 5 years old
我的家庭教師 up until I was about 11 years old.
我在我的育嬰書裡記有確切時間 I've got in my baby book the exact date.
是從67年3月到1974年 It was, like, March of '67 until about 1974.
茵格跟我是最好的朋友 Inger and I were best friends,
所以我跟邁爾小姐度過很多時光 and so I would spend a lot of time with Miss Maier.
她會帶我們去市區 She would take us down to the city,
我們會走進 and we would just walk
城裡最糟的部分 in the worst parts of town.
她走路很快，所以我得 She'd walk very quickly, and so I had
小腳飛跑才能趕上她 my little legs had to fly to keep up with her.
她會像這樣擺動手臂 She would swing her arm just like this.
昂首闊步 And then her stride was just massive.
茵格常拜託她走慢點 Inger used to just beg her to slow down,
她於是把茵格拉著走 and she would just drag her alongside.
可憐啊 The poor thing.
她什麼都拍 She'd take pictures of everything.
只要看到一個 She would see a subject,
她感興趣的主題 something that would interest her.
她就會打開相機 She'd open her camera.
調好焦距 She'd focus it.
這些窮人們 These poor, you know, people,
她還會讓他們為她擺好姿勢 and she would literally ask them to, like, pose for her.
她沒有刻意讓人擺姿勢啊 She didn't tend to pose people.
她會說「站那裡，等一下哦」 She's like, "Stand there. Wait."
就是這樣 It was just the way it was.
窮困潦倒的人 拍張照 Impoverished people. Take a picture.
或是有人在哭。然後就「啪」一聲 Or somebody crying. It was just, "Bam!"
他們會··· They would...
比如，「天啊，這女人在幹嘛呀？」 You know, like, "My God, what is this woman doing?"
我們會開玩笑說多麼想揍她 We would joke about how we wanted to hit her
拿相機敲她頭 over the head with the camera
因為她讓我們太尷尬了 because she embarrassed us so much.
不禮貌而且粗魯 It was imposing and rude.
他們覺得在某種程度上被騙了 They felt, I'm sure, that they were being mocked in some way.
我很驚訝她沒挨揍 I'm surprised she didn't get shot.
我媽堅決反對 My mom put her foot down
不然邁爾小姐帶我去貧民區 and wouldn't let Miss Maier take me into the slum areas.
她喜歡看報 She loved to read the paper.
她喜歡我們訂的紐約時報 She liked it that we took The New York Times,
她每天都看 and she read it every day,
她總是注意那些離奇的 and she always had an eye for the bizarre,
惡形怪狀的、不和諧的事件 the grotesque, the incongruous.
她對溫文儒雅不感興趣 She wasn't interested in sweetness and light.
她喜歡頭條新聞 She liked headlines
喜歡那些揭露笨蛋的頭條 that revealed the folly of individuals,
和可以讓她講述的故事 stories that would enable her to basically say,
「我明明跟你說過會這樣」 "I told you so. I told you so."
有個男的冷血地謀害了他太太 Some man murders his wife
隨後遭到逮捕 and then gets caught in cold blood:
「我跟你說過會這樣」 "I told you so."
這些事情揭露了愚昧人性 I mean, these things that revealed the folly of humanity.
如果你去看她的作品，她是瞄到了生活中的怪里怪氣 If you look at her art, she sees the bizarreness of life,
生活中的不和諧 the incongruity of life,
以及人類的軟弱之處 and the unappealingness of human beings.
隨時都有些小東西 There were little things all the time
她會以顯微鏡的方式去瞧清楚 that she was just plain in microscopic ways,
然後丟給我 just chipping at me all the time.
我會拎著零用錢 I would go down with my allowance money
去藝品店給自己 to the craft store and buy myself
買···比如一千道小彩虹 a thousand little, tiny, you know, like, rainbows and...
和玻璃小玩意 Glass tchotchkes.
薇薇會看著我收藏的小玩意，很不喜歡 Viv would look at my trove of tchotchkes and hate it.
她會拿個大型拖把桶子 She would get a big mop bucket,
倒進熱肥皂水 and she would fill it with hot, soapy water, yes,
和氨水 and ammonia,
她倒進去的阿摩尼亞水未免太多了 and she would have the ammonia be such a strength
讓你無法靠近桶子 that you couldn't be near the bucket.
需要用到那麼多氨水 Clearly, to need that much ammonia,
一定是要清理特別骯髒的地方 you would surely be cleaning something very, very dirty.
她會抬起手臂 She would take her arm
把所有的小玩意通通掃進桶裡 and just swipe all the tchotchkes into the bucket,
那些小玩意兒摩擦著、碰撞著 and they're crashing and grinding together
然後全碎掉了 and smashing,
然後他們被氨水掩蓋 and then they're all covered in ammonia.
我呢，只能默默忍受 Me, I sort of just quietly tolerated
不管我的人生會發生什麼 whatever was happening to me in my life.
我的弟弟會付諸行動，而我覺得 My brother acted out, and I don't think
她對他的行為會無可奈何 that she had good ways of coping with his behavior.
她會拋棄我們 She, sort of ditched us.
我們一起散步 We were all taking a walk together,
然後她鑽進一條巷子就失蹤啦 and she would duck down an alley and just disappear.
最後警察找到我們 The police finally found us.
我想她是要嚇嚇我們 I think she wanted to scare us.
我記得警察當時這麼說 And I remember getting lectured by the police like,
「你們不可離開保姆」 "You can't leave your babysitter"
我就說「不是啦， and me saying, "No, no."
是我的保姆丟下我」 My babysitter left me."
有些意外，我知道並非意外 There were some accidents, which I knew weren't accidents,
大家都知道並非是意外 that everybody knew weren't really accidents,
突然之間，底下是傳來孩子尖叫 where all of a sudden, there's a kid screaming in the basement
門關著，燈滅著 with the door shut and the lights off.
對，就是這種事情 Yeah, that kind of thing.
她很刻薄 She was mean.
我不知道能說什麼 I don't know how else to say it.
我不知道 她會有···陰暗面 I don't know; She had, like, a dark side.
我記得有一次她說 I remember one time she said,
「這些男人，他們會讓你坐在他們的大腿上 "These men, they'll have you sit on their laps,
然後你會感覺有東西頂著你」 and then you'll feel something poking you."
我記不得她的原話怎麼說的 And I can't even remember the context
但就是那樣 of when she said that, but it just was,
她對男人有這類的怒氣 she had this, like, anger in her towards men,
現在我當然曉得她說的什麼意思了 and now I know exactly what she was talking about,
但還是孩童時，我只知道她說的話 but as a kid, I really I knew what she was saying
很黑暗，而且不太對勁 was dark and a little not right.
我看到她這樣不止一次 I've seen her more than once
害怕地往後跳，因為男人 jump back in fear, you know, from a man.
那些年她說過好幾遍 She said several times over several years,
所有的男人都是為了毀掉你 men, all they were out to do was ruin you.
離他們遠點，提防他們 Stay away from them. Be careful of them.
他們要的只是性 You know, that all they want is sex.
她總是害怕被碰觸到 She was always afraid of being touched.
我記得她當時站在樹樁上 I remember she was standing up on a stump,
正在拍某件東西 taking a picture of some sort of incident.
那男的以為她會掉下來 The man apparently thought she was falling.
他伸出手，而她一看到男人朝她伸手 He reached up, and all she saw was a man reaching for her,
她打了他 and she decked him
她以為他要襲擊她 she thought he was attacking her
把他打成腦震盪，送醫院去了 and gave him a concussion, sent him to the hospital.
我敢拿錢來賭 I would bet money
她在某種情況上 that she was, um, brutalized in some way,
遭遇過暴力襲擊、騷擾或什麼 attacked in somel mean, or, you know, molested, whatever.
我不想這麼說 I hate to say that,
但是她一定碰到過很糟糕的事 but something happened to her that was awful,
因為沒人會像她這樣 because nobody would act like the way she did.
我記得 I remember some of
她那種非常強烈的情緒 the more strong emotion things, I'm afraid.
很難記得還有其他什麼人···嗯 It's harder to remember some of the other, um...
我不知道你想不想知道這些，但我會 I don't know if you want to go into this, but I will.
我會的 I will.
我也發生過一些 I mean, there were things that happened to me
不太好的事 that were not good.
邁爾小姐強迫餵我吃飯 Miss Maier was forcefeeding me, forcing me to eat
我因為沒吃光盤子裡的食物 'cause I wasn't finishing all on my plate.
我父母發現了，我爸很氣 My parents found out, and my dad got angry.
但我爸若知道實際情況的話 But if my dad found out exactly how,
事情必定會變得更糟 it would have been worse.
她會按住我 She would hold me down,
把食物擠入我的喉嚨 she would shove the food in my throat,
然後壓住我鼻子，直到我吞下 and then she would choke me until I would swallow it.
她會一次次這麼做 And she would do that over and over again.
她的確有著相當陰暗的一面 There was very much of a dark side to her
我沒有涉足 that I have not gone into.
她有時會失控 She would lose it sometimes.
我想到她第一次打我 I think the first time she hit me
是我五歲時 was when I was five years old
因為我正學著綁鞋帶 'cause I was trying to learn to tie my shoelaces,
我做得不對 and I wasn't doing it right,
她對我感到十分挫敗 and she got very frustrated with me,
所以就開始把我的頭 and so she started slamming my head
往書架一側撞去 into the side of this bookcase.
她不會打我的臉 I mean, she wouldn't hit me in the face.
我的臉上完全沒有傷痕 Obviously, I didn't have bruises there,
但她會抓我手腕，把我到處摔 but she'd grab me by the wrists and swing me around the room
讓我撞到東西 and slam me into things
她變得非常生氣時就會這樣 when she got really upset about something.
我到了8歲才能掙脫她的手 And I was eight years old before I could break her grip.
這之後，她就不再這麼做了 After that, she didn't do that again.
我力氣夠大了 I was strong enough.
她是很有風采的人 I mean, she was a brilliant person,
我覺得她真的蠻在乎，也努力了 and I think she really cared, and I think she tried,
我不知道其他人 and I don't know if any of the others
有沒提到這個，他們如果也發生過這種事 will ever talk about that, if it ever happened to them.
我不知道，也許她碰在一起了吧 I don't know. Maybe she got it together.
我希望她是這樣 I'm hoping she did.
我真的不想說起她這些事 I really hate saying these things about her,
因為我一直覺得內疚 because I've always felt guilty
沒有把薇薇留得更久一些 about not keeping Viv for longer.
我先生跟我討論 My husband and I were talking then
收養一個孩子 about having a foster child.
薇薇說「你們如果想照顧別人， Viv said, "if you want to take care of somebody",
為何不照顧我呢？」 why don't you take care of me?"
說完她笑了，不過她是正經的吧 And then she kind of laughed, but she meant it.
我想她是真的想 I think she really wanted to be brought in
加入我們這個家庭，但是 to be a member of our family, but that...
那跟我想的並不一樣 wasn't really what I had bargained for.
到了 So there it is.
在這棟小屋，邁爾小姐住樓上 In this little house, Miss Maiers lived upstairs.
我父親把他的辦公室上面的房間給她住 My father did provide a room for her above his office.
我只看過一次 I only had a chance to see it once,
有一次我偷偷跟隨她 back when I snuck up behind her,
因為她一直禁止別人進去 'cause she kept a padlock on it.
喔，現在完全不一樣了 So, yeah, this is totally different.
這是當時的禁區 This was the forbidden zone.
誰都不准看邁爾小姐住的地方 No one was allowed to see where Miss Maiers lived.
邁爾小姐走進去 Miss Maier went in there,
她打開門時我看得到 and she left the door open enough for me to see,
房間堆的滿滿，從地板到天花板 and the room was literally filled, floor to ceiling,
全是報紙 with newspapers.
看到地板怎麼是傾斜的？ See how the floor is sloped?
我告訴我爸，他說 I told my dad, and he said,
「為什麼地板會斜這麼大」 "That's why the floor is sagging so much."
他最後只好弄了個工字鋼梁 He ended up having to put a steel Ibeam post
在他辦公室頂著，因為地板傾斜了 in his office because the floor was sagging.
他不知道為什麼 He didn't know why.
真的是（東西）太滿啦 It was just totally full.
這層樓是薇薇的領域 This floor was Viv's domain.
我就想也許趁她不在家時 It occurred to me that maybe I would need to go up there
應該上去看看 when she wasn't home,
她不情願地給了我鑰匙，所以我就進去了 so she grudgingly gave me a key, and so I went in.
你可以看到她走的路徑 You can tell where she had been walking,
只有這麼窄的小通路 and it was just this narrow path
只能這樣橫著過 that you could just barely traverse like this.
床會放在哪裡呢 And where would the bed have been?
就這裡 Right here.
報紙幾乎堆到天花板了 Stacks of newspapers almost to the ceiling.
你或許以為我誇大其詞 You may think I'm exaggerating.
絕對沒有 No, I am not.
就是堆啊堆啊堆啊 Just stacked, stacked, stacked, stacked, stacked,
堆得到處都是 stacked everywhere.
報紙堆得很高啊 High you know, high stacks of paper.
她是怎麼取得報紙的··· How she even could get to the paper...
我實在不知道那些報紙她看過多少 I don't even know how much she even looked at the paper.
我也發現她在房子外頭，別的地方 I began to see that she was stacking newspaper
的地下室也堆了許多報紙 elsewhere in the house in the basement,
後邊，我們後邊有個小通路 and in the back, we have a little back entryway,
她也把報紙堆在那外頭 and she would stack newspaper out there.
她常常會想到 Now, the idea was always
把她那天收集到的文章 that there were articles she wanted to save
剪下來 for the day when she did get around
並保存下來 to cutting out the parts that she wanted to keep.
這讓我很煩惱，但是 It concerned me, but...
我也想「算了吧，算了吧」 I thought, "Whatever. Whatever."
呵 Um...
我載她去她上班的地方 I gave her a ride to her place of employment.
我看到她的桌上堆積成山 I looked at her desk and piles of stuff there.
她知道雇主 She was certain that her employers
會進去她房間 were coming into the room she had
查看她的東西 and going through her items.
她會把書或別的東西放在桌上 She would rig the books and so forth on her desk
所以書一旦被動過 so that if they were moved half an inch,
她回來時就會發現 she would know that when she got back.
這大約就是薇薇安的故事 Or so that was Vivian's story.
她也常常認為 And she was also certain
有些人拿望遠鏡看 that people were looking through binoculars
會從她房間窗戶看進去 and could see through the window of her room.
她變得越來越孤獨 She was progressively getting more and more reclusive,
越來越像隱士 more and more of a hoarder.
大家都在說「我的天啊， Everybody was saying resoundingly, "My God."
你必須辭掉你的保姆」 You've got to get rid of your nanny."
我不認為爸媽能意識到 I don't think that Mom and Dad really realized
她的精神疾病有多糟糕 the extent to which she was living with mental illness,
因為她就是那樣了 'cause she was.
She was. She was.
她啊 Sheshe, um...
是有點古怪 Yeah, it was a little past eccentric.
我的鄰居過來 My neighbor came over.
他說「我在粉刷浴室 He said, "I'm painting the bathroom.
妳有沒有一堆報紙？」 Do you have a stack of newspaper?"
我說「有啊」 I said, "Sure."
後門正好有一大堆 There was a huge stack right by the back door.
我給他大概有這麼多 I gave him a big chunk like this.
我說「儘管拿吧」 I said, "Sure. Go ahead."
厚，當薇薇安回到家 Well, when Viv came home, she saw
看到報紙變少了 that that stack of newspaper was shorter
差不多有兩三英尺 by three feet or two feet or whatever,
她既震驚也憤怒 and she was angry and horrified.
「誰拿了我的報紙？誰拿了我的報紙？」 "Who took my papers? Who took my papers?"
然後她開始變得狂躁 And she just went berserk.
我是說開始抓狂 I mean, she went crazy.
我記得她有大喊大叫 I remember an outside scene with screaming and yelling
她對著那人叫喊，要他把報紙還回來 where she's yelling at this guy, telling him to bring them back,
可是有的被刷過或扯破了 but some already had paint on them and were ripped.
「啊 都被塗刷過了 "Now they're all covered with paint!
這下都沒用了 "Now I can't use those papers.
上面都是油漆 "They're covered with paint now.
妳怎麼可以把我的報紙給他？」 How could you give him my papers?"
我呐 只說「薇薇啊，這些可不是妳的報紙哦 So I said l just said, "Viv, those aren't your papers.
而是我的 "Those are my papers,
反正這屋子裡報紙還有很多」 and there are too many papers in this house."
我記得我父母跟我說過 I remember my parents telling me,
「薇薇不能再和我們住了 "Viv's not gonna be with us anymore.
她變得太瘋狂了」 She's gotten too crazy."
其實不是真的發瘋 Like, not that she wasn't already crazy
但是抓狂越來越嚴重 but that the craziness has increased
到了我們無法容忍的地步 to a level that we can't tolerate anymore.
我清楚記得我跟她說「薇薇 I remember so clearly having to say to her, "Viv",
我覺得妳該去找別的工作了」 I think you're going to have to look for another job."
跟她講這個真是很為難 How hard it was to say that to her.
但你知道嗎 But you know what?
我沒想到她一點都不訝異 I don't think she was even surprised.
她回頭看著我說 She looked back at me, and she said,
「妳確定啦？」她說 "Do you?" she said.
「那，我想要兩個月的補貼 "Well, then, what I want is two months' notice
和兩個月的薪水」大概就這樣 and two months' pay" or something like that.
她開出她的條件 She gave me hersort of what she wanted
就像早就計劃好了一樣 as if she had it on the tip of her tongue
然後說出來 and she'd figured it out.
我不知道她這麼做是否因為 And I didn't know whether that was because
她常常被解僱 she had been dismissed from positions often enough
所以知道該說些什麼 that she knew what to say
或者她已多多少少預感到 or whether she had, in a way, anticipated it.
我丈夫和我跟孩子 My husband and I and our children,
在她離開之後，就馬上跳上汽車 after she was gone, do you know we just jumped in the car
開往密西根 and drove up to Michigan,
這是我們不曾做過的 which is something we never used to do,
正因為這是件令人激動的事情 just because it was a huge emotional thing
沒有了她 not to have her
咳，這仍然會讓我想哭 you know, see, I'm still weepy about it,
因為我真的很在意薇薇安 because I really cared about Viv,
我也覺得她在意我們 and I think she cared about us,
她不是個好相處的人 and it was just one of those things
這僅僅是眾多理由之一 where she was a person who didn't fit in very well.
她有許多優點 She just had those edges that couldn't
或者我把自己講得太好了 and I think we well, I flatter myself.
我覺得我們是她待過的家庭裡 I think we were one of the most sympathetic, accepting,
最同情她、最理解她和最有緣分的 and congenial families that she worked with.
不知道啦，我相信是這樣啦 I don't know that. I think it may be true.
但我們難以為繼 And we couldn't make it work.
1996年我們準備出售我母親的房子時 In 1996, we were getting my mother's house ready for sale,
我告訴薇薇安說 and when I told Vivian, I said,
「妳可以在這裡住幾個月 "You can stay here for a couple of months.
「我不會馬上賣掉房子 "I won't put it on the market yet.
「我們得先安置好 "You know, we have to get things ready,
「所以我不會趕妳 "and, you know, I'm not kicking you out.
妳可以留下來」 You can stay."
薇薇安留在那裡，當成介紹房子的人 Vivian was to be there,you know, and to show it,
但她沒有實際招呼想買房子的人 but she was not at all helpful with the real estate people.
她竟然不讓他們參觀 She just didn't want to let them in.
他們打電話給我說 They were calling me saying
她不讓他們參觀房子 she won't let them show the house, you know.
「妳想想辦法吧，茱蒂？」 "You've got to do something, Judy?
所以我打電話給薇薇安 So I would call her and say,"Vivian, you know,
「妳必須讓人家看房子」 you have to let people see the house."
他們後來看了，確定要買 They did manage to get in, and they did manage to sell.
我覺得已近聖誕年底 I think we closed the last day of the year.
律師來了電話：「茱蒂，我們很擔心 The lawyer called and said, "Judy, we're just afraid
她不搬出去」 she's not gonna be out."
我說「她會搬出去的 And I said, "She'll be out."
甭擔心，她會搬出去的」 Don't worry. She will be out."
我最後一次見到她，嗯，現在還有點不愉快 The last time I saw her, um, I'm still unhappy about.
大約2000年吧， It must have been, like, probably 2000.
我在威爾麥特準備跟我女兒、 I was in Wilmette, going to the beach with my daughter,
她的孩子，和四個朋友的孩子去海邊 her children, and four other children of a friend's.
很熱的夏天，像8月天 It was a hot summer day, like August,
天氣酷熱，突然間 like '100 degree day, and all of a sudden,
我看到這個女人走 在街上 I see this woman walking down the street,
馬上就發現「那是薇薇安」 and immediately we're like, "There's Vivian."
我30年沒看到她了 I hadn't seen her in 30 years,
但我們立刻認出彼此 but we recognized each other at once.
我們都打了招呼 「嗨」 And we both, "Hi."
「薇薇安，妳好」「卡蘿，你好」 "How are you, Vivian?" and "How are you, Carole?"
「好久不見」 And "it's been so long."
「看到妳真是太好了」 We're like, "Well, it was great, you know, to see you."
然後都會說「有事先走了」 And we said, "We have to get going."
她冒了一句：「請別走」 And she was like, "Please don't leave."
「卡蘿」 You know, she was like, "Carole"
這是我母親的名字 you know, my mother's name.
「卡蘿，請別走」 She was like, "Carole, please don't leave."
妳正巧帶著一群孩子 You know, when you're with a bunch of kids
他們在妳身邊轉來轉去 and they're swirling around you
吵著要去海邊 and they want to go to the beach
又是炎熱夏天，實在叫人不知所措 and it's a hot summer day, you know, you're, like, stuck.
她一直說「跟我說話啦 And she kept saying, "Talk to me.
咱們聊——聊」 Let's talk. Let's talk."
我只是說「對不起，薇薇安 And I kept saying, "I can't do it, Vivian.
我該——走啦」 I have to go. I have to go."
她說「但你是我的朋友 She kept saying, "But you're my friend.
你是我的朋友啊」 You're my friend."
嗯 然後我把球扔了 And, um, I dropped the ball.
我只能這樣說 That's all I can say.
我感覺很差勁 I feel badly about it
眼看朋友的聲音透出絕望 and the despair in her voice about seeing a friend,
我覺得我讓她失望了 and I feel that I let her down.
我仍帶著孩子們去海邊 So I proceeded to go to the beach with the kids.
我說「一起去吧」，但她不願意 I said, "Follow us," but she didn't want to do that,
所以就這樣了 so that was the end of that one.
我記得有一次 I do remember once
她沒跟我們講要去哪 she wouldn't tell me where we were going.
我不會告訴你們，這是個驚喜」 "I don't want to tell you. It's a surprise."
她帶我去了屠宰場的牲畜圈 She took me to the stockyards.
這出乎我的意料 It didn't come into my consciousness that,
「這是人們準備宰殺牲畜的地方」 "Well, this is where they go to kill the animals."
有一輛滿載綿羊的拖車 There was a trailer full of sheep.
我還記得那些傢伙讓它們走下長長斜坡 I do remember guys poking at them with sticks
拿著棍子去戳它們 to get them out down this long ramp.
他們卸下綿羊後 After they were done offloading the sheep,
他們開始拋棄一隻死掉的綿羊 they started throwing out a dead sheep,
一隻給踐踏而死的綿羊 one that got trampled.
這是我第一次面對死亡 That was the first time lever saw death.
如今回顧，並沒有給我造成困擾 Looking back, thinking about it, it didn't bother me.
但有件奇怪的事，我始終搞不清楚 It was just kind of odd.I couldn't understand it.
我是個牧民 I've always been a critter person,
這些是我的綿羊群 and these are my guys, the sheep.
她為我工作那時 The end of her life was something that I worried about
我擔心她晚年的事 when she worked for me.
我在想「她的生命會如何了結呢？」 I thought, "How can this end for her?"
我不認為她會善終 I don't think it had a happy ending.
我非常高興這些男生小時候 I was very glad that these men that she took care of
可以被她照看 when they were little kids
多虧她的照顧 kind of came to her rescue.
他們弄了一間公寓給她，幫她付房租 They got her an apartment and paid for her rent.
你住這一帶嗎 Do you live in the area?
是啊 Yeah, I live in the area.
你可記得常常坐在這裡 Do you remember a woman who used to sit on this bench a lot,
戴寬邊帽子的一個女人呢 wearing a big floppy hat?
呃 是不是一個法國女人？ Um, was she the French lady?
我記得她 Yeah, I remember her.
住這一帶的人 People who still, um, live around here,
都會記得她吧 yeah, we remember her.
她常常坐在這裡的長椅 She was here a lot, sitting on the bench,
但我不知道有沒有人跟她聊天 but I don't think anybody really talked to her.
這附近常常有著古怪的人 There's a lot of eccentric people around here,
我覺得她正是其中之一 and I just thought she was one of them.
還是遠離為妙 You knew to just leave her alone.
有時候她出現在垃圾放置站 Sometimes she'd be at the dumpsters.
如果你問她「須要幫忙或需要食物嗎」 You'd ask her, you know, "Do you need help or do you need food?"
她會用法語跟你大吼大叫 And she would just kind of yell at you in French.
你怎會認識她？ How did you know her?
從鄰居裡就看過她啦 Just from seeing her in the neighborhood.
你會和她坐一起嗎 And you would sit with her?
我常常坐在長椅上的 Well, I'd always sit on the bench,
她也會坐下來 and she'd sit there,
但是要過好長一段時間 and finally it took weeks or months
她才開始跟我說話 before she'd even speak to me.
我看到她一直在巷子裡 I would see her in the alley all the time,
翻著垃圾 going through the garbage,
所以有回我把一捆舊衣服和一頂羊毛帽子 so I had a bunch of old clothes and a wool hat one time
給了她，她拿走啦 I gave her, and she took it.
她說「太好啦 She said, "That's great."
我睡覺時可以戴著它」 I'll wear that when I sleep."
她很難與人相處 She was very short with people,
但她很是有趣 but she was funny, though.
挺好的女士哩 Nice lady.
我騎單車時，有時經過她的小路 When I was riding my bike, sometimes I'd cross her path,
她會衝著我大叫「按鈴啊，按鈴啊！」 and she'd yell to me,"Get a bell! Get a bell!"
冬天有時路過小巷 And sometimes I'd be outin the alley in the winter
她看到我沒戴帽子 and she'd see me without a hat,
她會喊「戴個帽，帶個帽！」 and she'd yell,"Get a hat! Get a hat!"
她總會想起單車上的鈴鐺 She was about that bellon the bike.
誰會曉得她其實是個偉大的藝術家 Who would have known that shewas actually a great artist
卻會去垃圾回收站呢 and she'd cometo dumpsterdiving?
最令人傷感的是 That's the saddest
坐在公園的長椅 And, I mean, sitting on the park bench
她穿越馬路 literally, she'd go across the street.
吃罐裝食品 She'd get a can of food.
她怎麼變成這樣呢 What did she have the one day?
不是該吃醃牛肉或別的什麼嗎 Was, like, corned beef hash or something?
她吃的是沒熱過的罐裝食品 I mean, right out of the can, not even warming it up,
還拿湯匙哩··· with a spoon...
還不停地說好吃 And said it was delicious.
她過得比我想像中還落魄 She was much more damaged than I thought,
我對她深感同情 and I have a lot more empathyfor her.
Um...
我都會想···· I just think, um...
她是多麼孤獨的女士啊 what a lonely lady, you know?
非常的孤獨 Incredibly lonely
而且遭到誤解 and misunderstood. 所以，我想 , yeah, I think, I mean,
如果現在還能見到她 now if I were to see her today after this,
我應該會對她好一點 I wouldn't be as hard on her, probably.
常有人叫住我，跟我談論公園裡的老太太 Somebody called me and said the old lady in the park,
她摔倒在地，因為喝得有點醉 she fell, she kind of passed out,
救護車來到後 and the ambulance is out there.
我越過馬路的時候看到 So I went across the street, and at that point,
他們把她抬上推車 they were loading her onto the little cart there,
她跟醫護人員、還有別的人說話 and she was telling the people, the paramedics and such,
說她不想去醫院 that she did not want to go.
她要回家 She wanted to go home.
但他們告訴她必須去醫院 And they said that she has to go with,
她就看著我，像是要說「俚嘛幫幫忙」 and she looked at me as if to say, "Can you do something?"
但是我無能為力 But there was nothing I could do about it.
我有問醫護人員 You know, I asked the paramedics.
他們說「她必須上醫院」 They said, "No, she has to go."
但事實是 But that was it.
他們用救護車帶走了她 I mean, they put her in the ambulance and took her away.
事後 And then after the fact, you know,
周遭的鄰居都問 a lot of people in the neighborhood said,
「那個老太太怎麼啦？」 "Whatever happened to the old lady?"
卻已沒人曉得了 And nobody ever knew.
你必須從既有的證據切入 You have to try to draw from the evidence you have
去瞭解一個人 some understanding of the individual.
我覺得她的照片透露出一種溫煦 I think her pictures show a tenderness,
對人類悲情的即時警覺 instant alertness to human tragedies,
以及雍容、甜美的瞬間 and those moments of generosity and sweetness.
我理解她 I see her
是個非常戒慎，同時也善於觀察和照料人的人 as an incredibly watchful, observant, caring person.
大概就是有著這些特質 And probably why she was a nanny
所以她做了保姆 was that she had those capacities.
1962年那時她開始拍許多照片 1962,when she took a lot of the pictures,
孩子們常在深谷裡玩 the kids would always play in the ravines.
那是世界上最美的地方 It's the most beautiful spot in the world.
你知道 You know, instead of
在這城郊社區 this straightedged suburban community,
你會常常去哪裡 you always went there
因為你希望孩子們接觸大自然 'cause you wanted the kids to have a little touch of nature
野生世界 you know, wild nature.
那裡有小塊地長滿野草莓 There were a patch of wild strawberries
就在那裡 somewhere in there.
我覺得她很喜歡那裡 And I think she liked it so much,
因此他們在那裡把她火化 that's why they buried her there.
那是他們記憶裡她很快樂的地方 It's a place that they remembered she was happy.
現在，你告訴我，妳怎樣才能永遠活著 Now, you tell me how you can live forever.
來 Come on.
在她的生命盡頭，她可能會想 She might have gotten to the end of her life and thought,
「為什麼我不試著在此結束生命呢？」 "Why didn't I try to get that work out there?"
有些人因性格限制 Some people's character prevents them
使得你必須花費一些氣力 from pushing that little bit you need to push
才能讓作品給看見 to get the work seen.
你知道她並沒有把自己當成藝術家 You know, she didn't defend herself as an artist.
她只是拍照 She just did the work.
架好相機，等待某些人進入 A canon is often established, and so when someone comes in,
此乃二流攝影師的拍照方式 there's always the sense that they're secondary figures,
但我並不認為她屬二流 but I don't feel her as secondary.
我一看到她的照片，我能感覺最原始的東西 When I look at the pictures, I always feel something primary.
我認為她的作品很棒 I think that the work is so good
跟她的作品相比 that it's really winning over a lot of people
大多數人的作品都顯得很低下 who were more dismissive of it previously.
她會獲得認可的，誰知道呢 Where it'll wind up, who knows?
藝術世界體制的大多數 Much of the art world establishment
至今仍不接納薇薇安·邁爾的作品 still hasn't accepted Vivian Maier's work.
但人們不在乎 But people don't care.
他們沒有等待機構給她認證 They're not waiting for that validation from institutions.
他們對薇薇安·邁爾的作品自有公論 They're claiming Vivian Meier's work for themselves.
她的作品如今在紐約的畫廊展出 Her work is now in galleries in New York.
洛杉磯也有展出 It can be seen in L.A.
演員Tim Roth：這是我的收藏裡我最愛的 There's one in particular that I bought which I love.
框框裡面有著赤貧 There's an abject poverty in the frame,
但擁有它卻是很幸福的事 but there's also a happiness in spite of it all.
她的作品開始在全世界展出 Her work is being seen around the world
倫敦、德國、丹麥 London, Germany, Denmark.
人們開始接納她的作品，也開始接納薇薇安·邁爾 They're embracing it, and they're embracing Vivian Maier.
法國 尚普索區 聖朱利安 薇薇安故鄉 是 是 是 Oui, oui, oui.
也許這是對她最好的方式 Maybe this is the best way of all for her,
她過世後才發生這些 to have it happen after she's died.
這應該會讓薇薇很開心 That would probably make Viv happiest,
因為在她一生當中，我覺得 'cause in her own life, the attention, I think,
她對於藝術有著壓倒性的勝利 she would have found overwhelming.
薇薇老是被誤解成受到壓迫，對吧 Viv was supposed to be downtrodden, right?
她是個保姆嘛 She was, like, a nanny.
這在她生命裡 不被認定 That's not considered to bea pretty highranking position
高尚地位 in life.
未婚，沒社會背景可言 Not married, not any social life to speak of.
她對於人們所嚮往的現狀 She didn't have these measures of status
毫無辦法 that people aspire to,
但是她必須妥協 but she didn't have to compromise one bit.
她做她愛做的事 She did what she wanted.
這是她教給我的 That's what she taught me,
過自己想過的生活 is that she got the life she wanted.
她做到了 She had it.
我相當理解她 I understand a lot more about her.
但這個人的藝術這麼多產，為什麼 But why was this person so private,
如此自私地不分享自己的作品呢 yet so prolific in an art form that she never shared?
誰知道呢 Who knows?
她做了 所以她不會被遺忘 She did it so it wouldn't be forgotten,
而且永遠不會被遺忘 and here it's not forgotten.
她拍照時 As she was photographing,
她看到的是 she was seeing just how close you can come
該距離人們多近才按下快門 into somebody's space and make a picture of them.
這告訴我一件事 That tells me a lot about her.
這讓我意識到 她擁有進入 It tells me that she could go into a space
陌生人空間的能力 with a total stranger
並且在按下快門的瞬間 and get them to accommodate her by being themselves
還讓被拍者感覺很自在 and generate this kind of moment, you know,
這兩個因素同時出現 where two presences were actually
並產生共鳴 kind of vibrating together.
然而 她走了 And then she's gone.
我認為沒什麼事情能維持永恆 Web, I suppose nothing is meant to fast forever.
我們必須為別人讓位 We have to make room for other people.
就像車輪 If's a wheel.
你上去，你必須走到盡頭 You get on, you have to go to the end,
然後有人來取代你的位置 and then somebody else takes their place.
現在我要關燈了 Now I'm going to close
然後趕快跑到另一個房間完成我的作品 and quickly run next door to do my work.