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Life is a battle...
and I generally only pick the fights I can win.
The Mosley name is in trouble again.
They sent a video to the FIA.
I'd done no harm to them.
I was just working quietly away
on road safety, motorsport safety.
This is a man who has called the shots
in world motorsport for decades
and during that time, he's made one or two enemies.
I got calls every day
saying, "He's gotta go, he's gotta go."
I've had battles before
and more since
but this was different
because this was the gutter press
trying to destroy all the work that we'd done.
That's moments where you need your friends.
People you thought you could count on
you couldn't.
There were some people going around the paddock
saying I ought to resign.
They obviously didn't know
who they were taking on.
They think if they attack hard enough I may go away
but actually, for me, it's exactly the opposite.
Probably a defect of character.
But I don't like being pushed.
These days I'm fighting for road safety
especially in India, where some of the cars are death traps.
Every year
140,000 people are dying on the Indian roads.
When a commercial plane crashes
you have 300, 400 people who die.
You have the same amount of people dying
every day on the roads.
2.6 million people get seriously injured every year.
It's a crisis.
Our goal is to get more five-star cars in India.
But first, we've got to get one.
There are very few names in the global automotive scene
that are more well recognised.
I'm speaking, of course, about the former president
of the Global NCAP, Max Mosley.
Thank you very much.
For the first time ever
we're going to have a Safer Choice designation
to any car built in India
which can reach the five-star standard.
Can we start?
Absolutely. Ready when you are.
While we were here, for three days, in India...
more than a thousand people will die on the roads.
I think a huge problem is that
people don't see road deaths in the way they see other deaths.
Yes.
A death is a death, whether it's caused by a war
a terrorist, or a road accident
it makes no difference to the family.
I mean, it's not glamorous, like motorsport
where you maybe save one life every year or two.
But in India
if you could make a tenth of 1% difference
that's 140 people.
So, there's 140 people walking around out there
because you did it.
It really, really matters.
I was influenced by my parents, particularly my father.
I mean, obviously, he's a controversial figure
but everything that he did in his life, he did...
because he thought it would be for the benefit of other people.
My father was Sir Oswald Mosley.
After a major career in conventional politics
he started the British Union of Fascists.
His family had been quite well off
since the 17th, 18th century.
And my mother's family was similar.
If you're lucky enough to have a bit of money
you have an absolute duty to try and do something useful.
My mother's maiden name was Mitford.
She was Diana Mitford.
One of the well-known "Mitford girls."
One of my aunts, Unity
became very friendly with Hitler.
And then my mother met Hitler
and they all became quite friendly.
I think my father only ever met Hitler
twice in his life
and they didn't really get on.
When my parents got married
my father wanted to get married secretly
because there was a lot of, sort of violence
and trouble in England at that time to do with his politics.
So they decided to get married in Germany
and they ended up being married in Goebbels's house
with Hitler present as the sort of main guest.
And on balance, would you say that Hitler was...
It was better or would've not been better
if Hitler had ever existed?
No, certainly better that he should not ever have existed
because his existence led
to 25 million Europeans being killed.
If I had my way
those 25 million would be alive today
including six million Jews
who never would've been killed if there hadn't been a war.
They made the greatest mistake they ever made
when they produced that war.
And who was most of all...
Max's family heritage is a very tough one
for anyone to sort of fully escape from.
His father's politics had become
you know, completely unacceptable
before and then after the Second World War.
For the first two or three years of my life
I was looked after by a nanny
because my parents were interned
under a wartime regulation.
What was the effect
of your imprisonment on you?
Were you bitter?
What?
- Well, bitter, did you say? - Yes.
I don't think I was exactly bitter.
It's... Prison is extremely disagreeable.
Holloway was a very old fashioned...
condemned, I believe, prison.
I used to visit them
probably three or four times a year.
And I can remember going to the prison and visiting them.
I suppose I assumed
that everybody's parents were locked up
and they went to see them from time to time.
They were released from Holloway prison in 1943
and bought a house in the English countryside.
Eventually, they settled in France.
We had this tutor who then, that stopped when I was 11
and I was allowed to just sort of do a bit of hunting
do a bit of shooting, and that was it.
I got expelled from the German school...
climbing into the girls' part of the school.
I think it's fair to say my education was messed up.
I met Jean, my wife
when I was 17, and she was 17.
We got married at the end of my second year at Oxford.
When I went to Oxford
I still got a degree, but I mean, it wasn't a good one.
So, I came into to Oxford in '58.
The same time as Max
and we both came up to read physics
and he went on to read law.
Max is seriously bright.
At that time in life
Max was still under the shadow of his father
and his father was still trying to get into parliament.
The 500 police
had their hands full in Trafalgar Square.
Typically, the East Londoners
would come and attack his father
and Max would, of course, protect his father.
They cried, "Down with Mosley!"
And down he went.
Sir Oswald's son, Max, was among those later arrested.
Everybody who'd been arrested
had to pitch up in court the next day.
And the man who arrested me was a superintendent.
Of course, he gave evidence
and when I came to cross examine him
I said, "Your father, aged 65
he's an old age pensioner
he's attacked by a group of people.
Are you saying I should just stand there
and say, 'Well, that's alright.
I'm not gonna do anything'?"
And, of course, some found it quite difficult to answer that.
He said, "But Mr Mosley
you knew, when you came to this meeting
that there was gonna be trouble."
I said, "Actually not, and neither did you
because had you known
you'd have had a few more police on the spot to prevent it."
That was it, no more questions, you know
and I was duly acquitted.
In 1963, I realised that
what my father was doing wouldn't go anywhere.
I disagreed with aspects in his politics
but, fundamentally, I lost interest.
I thought, "I want to be my own person"
and it always irritated me
that I used to get "Son of, son of, son of."
You know, I mean, you can't help who your father is.
I had nothing against him.
That's not a criticism, it's just that
I would like to be in a world
where I could sort of get on and do something.
So, I joined the Territorial Army Parachute Regiment.
That was against his wishes.
It's like a part-time army, and I didn't have any money.
I used to teach in the evenings. Law, various kinds.
My wife was working
and somebody she was working for
gave her two tickets for the Empire Trophy
as it was then called.
And I remember arriving there
and I could hear this sort of sound...
So, I wanted to see what was going on.
I ran up to the fence and I got there just in time
to see the cars come under
what was then the Daily Express bridge.
I was transfixed.
And I just watched them go by, and I thought
"If I never do anything else, I've gotta do that."
So, I bought a rather simple racing car.
And then I suddenly found myself in the collecting area.
And I heard somebody say, "Mosley, Max Mosley
he must be some relation of Alf Mosley
the coach builder in Leicester."
And I thought, "Oh."
It's the first time in my life I'd ever heard
"He must be some relation of..." other than my father.
I found a world where the name "Mosley" meant nothing.
That was the beginning of a whole season
of great fun with all these famous drivers.
Jim Clark was...
he was the Senna, he was the...
he was the Hamilton, you know, of that day.
I remember Graham Hill being just in front on the grid
and he was world champion.
I mean, you know
I knew that I was completely out of my class.
Obviously, I knew it was dangerous.
First big race I ever took part in
was a Formula Two race in Hockenheim, 1968.
At the start of that race
as soon as you went round the first right hand
and we were on to the forest, it was thick spray
so you didn't know where the road went.
So, I was watching the tops of the trees
and I backed off
and I thought, "This is... This is madness."
And on the way out, there was less spray.
You could see an ambulance on one side of the road.
There were a lot of spectators
around in the paddock in those days.
Somebody came up and said in German, "Is Jim Clark dead?"
Jim Clark was killed.
He wasn't wearing a seat belt.
Jim Clark
der zweimalige Weltmeister Grand-Prix-Sieger ist tot.
One of the other drivers in the field, Max Mosley
did have a seat belt in that car.
And that's because he was always interested in
the basic science and evidence of safety.
Funnily enough
my mother insisted I fitted four harness seat belts in.
But after that race
my wife and I had a slightly difficult conversation at home
where she said
"You say that that's safe, as long as you're careful...
but Jim Clark was obviously careful
and he's a better driver than you."
And I couldn't really deny that.
It was quite obvious she wanted me to stop.
Of the, I think, 21, 22 cars on the grid at Hockenheim in April
by July, three were dead.
'69, the second or third race I ever did
was the Nurburgring.
The left front wheel just stopped turning.
I ended up in a camping ground.
I think the first time I became aware of Max
from memory, he didn't compete
because he felt the circuit was just unsafe.
Or he was a pussy.
That was really it.
I thought, "The time has come to stop."
Robin Herd and I had known each other at Oxford
cos we both did physics
and he went on to do engineering.
And he got the second highest first
they've ever had in the history of Oxford.
And Max came to me and said, "Look, Robin
come and do Formula One with me.
We'll... We can build our own team.
We can take on the world.
In the first race
we needed to have the cars built by the end of January
and by this time it was September...
so we had four months.
Starting from nothing.
So, we came across this
obscure Oxfordshire market town called Bicester
that had a disused dairy available
and we rented it.
There was a big article in The Times
about this new racing car company
and the author explained
that no one would undertake something like this
with less than half a million pounds.
And I felt it wasn't my job to say
"Actually, we've only got 10,000.
We're not gonna last very long unless something happens."
So, I didn't.
I wanted to drum up press
so I got a sport journalist, Ian Phillips
to write about March.
There I was, the new boy
very much the office junior
seeing a news story develop in front of my very eyes.
Well, we're very excited.
All the indications are
that they're gonna be fully competitive
by the time the South African Grand Prix comes.
We decided that we could probably do it.
It was a wheeze, if you like, to conquer the world.
March have shown that
when it comes to getting a project
off the drawing board and onto the track
they can move faster than anyone else in racing.
It remains to be seen
whether the cars themselves can do the same.
We pitched up in South Africa.
Practice took place with two cars for us.
That was Amon and Siffert.
Two cars for Tyrrell.
That was Stewart and, I think, Servoz-Gavin.
And then there was Andretti.
And Amon and Stewart recorded identical times.
But they were the fastest.
I remember it like yesterday, it was 1:19.3.
By modern standards
we'd locked up front row of the grid.
In the first four races in 1970, we won three of them.
One of them, our car lapped the entire field.
We had Ferrari, Lotus, Brabham
you know, BRM, all the world championship winners.
And we'd just rolled out from this
disused dairy in Oxfordshire
and stuffed the lot.
Formula One, as a whole, was furious
because, you know
how can a couple of almost undergraduates come along
set up a company, no money
and suddenly blow us all off, first race.
I think it's fair to say that what March did
turned the motor racing world
upside down.
And it's almost as if
"Our company's taking the piss out of motor sport
so why don't you all join in!"
The sense of satisfaction was enormous
because everything we'd set out to do
had happened. We'd done it.
Just.
But, you know, it was still dangerous.
Four drivers were killed in the next three years.
And at March, we had our own tragedy.
- Do I press this? - Yeah.
When Roger Williamson was killed in one of our cars...
...at Zandvoort, the tyre...
It was in a fast right-hand corner
and the tyre delaminated...
and crashed
and caught fire.
I couldn't believe only David Purley
made any attempt to help him.
No, I've never seen the whole thing there.
And that's obviously on Dutch TV.
But, um... Oh, it's horrific, the whole thing.
And... the worst thing for me was I was in the pits
so I was with his father, and...
it was quite evident to me, having watched it, that...
you know, there's not...
First of all, he was in the car, secondly, that he was dead.
Nobody would survive that.
And then his father said to me, um...
"Roger is alright, isn't he?"
And I had to say, "I don't think he is."
Awful, and you know
thing is, the father doted on him
and he was the sort of, you know
the whole thing went... I mean, the death was terrible.
The way of dying, beyond terrible
and of course...
Purley could hear him shouting in the car, "Get him out!"
but because Purley was on his own
he couldn't do anything.
And of course, to me, what's extraordinary
is that none of the other drivers stopped.
And, you know, when people talk about safety
and they drove past that...
beyond comprehension.
You know, it's just a race.
I mean, OK, so you lose a race
but that boy was that old man's whole life.
You always had this feeling of
there's something horrible about this sport.
There was always this thought, "Look, we can put this right."
There's no reason
why motor racing could be so...
immorally unsafe.
I had my sons, Patrick and Alexander
and, at that point, I thought to myself...
"Do I really want to be involved in this?"
But the amazing thing about Max is
he just keeps going.
We've had this tremendous success in Europe
around a 50% reduction in occupant fatalities.
That amounts to over 78,000 lives in Europe alone.
Between now and September
we're going to get some extra funding from Bloomberg
for a bit more testing, another four or five cars
maybe as soon as next week, we'll be suggesting.
So, if we can repeat...
the wonderful thing you do with buying the vehicles.
When I saw The Times in India this morning
they quote Tata
as saying the Nano has either got to be radically upgraded
or... done away with.
It's all about saving human lives.
A star rating for vehicles is so important.
People don't even understand how a seat belt
or an airbag is important in vehicles over here.
Yeah.
That's perfect.
You get to the stage where you think
"I really can't face another of these trips
another of these meetings."
And then you think, suppose somebody said to you
"If you make the trip, there's somebody alive.
If you don't make the trip, that person is going to die
and it's their whole life."
When you think of it in those terms
you have to do it
you don't really have a lot of choice
because you're in a position to do it.
We can't say.
We let them know...
when the car's in a container...
we ring 'em up, and say...
When it's too late to do anything.
I sold my interest in the March team.
We'd had a good run
but we'd failed to win a Formula One world championship.
And so it was a fairly natural thing
that I could then spend all my time
on the affairs of the Formula One constructors
where Bernie, obviously, was already involved.
Let's get all the cars back into the pits and change tyres.
All the cars back into the pits and change the tyres. Come on.
Bernie and Max hit it off straightaway.
They needed each other.
They couldn't be more different
which makes it a fascinating partnership.
We thought that things
wasn't being run too well
and maybe somebody a little more commercial should get involved.
Originally, the organisers were all
essentially, a branch of the FIA
and their interest was to pay the teams as little as possible.
So, Bernie and I tried to organise the teams.
We called ourselves
the "Formula One Constructors' Association."
But it wasn't easy.
They got somebody called Pat Duffeler
who was actually the Marlboro man.
I was representing the organisers.
They wanted somebody
to just stand up to Bernie...
and I'd been the fool, who...
was willing to go into battle.
We used to call Duffeler "The Laughing Boy"
because in any negotiation
he would always be smiling or laughing.
And the worse it got for him, the more he'd smile and laugh.
We think it was some sort of nervous tick.
But I took the view
that we absolutely mustn't negotiate with him
cos that would give him credibility.
As long as we refuse to talk to him, and said
"No, we're talking with the individual organisers..."
Nobody took any notice.
Max was not particularly liked
by a lot of the teams.
I mean, he had tried racing himself
team management... and you know, he had failed.
This is a world that just admires winners.
Well...
...poor old Duffeler, he'd gone to do the best he can
and a failed driver, I'll admit to.
But, you know, I still drive a lot faster than he could.
I think some of them thought of him as a lawyer
who had lost his way by being in the motor racing circuit.
- Go out to the course. - Where is he?
The point is, Max.
No, we can't do another one.
Max, we can't see the flag.
We can't see the cars.
It's impossible.
We had to win them over, but we had our own agenda.
Bernie and I both wanted a race in Brazil
but the team said, "We don't want to go
until we've got the money.
So I bankrolled things.
If it went wrong, we were the losers, not the teams.
I said, "Tell you what, Bernie
I'll go there, I'll get the money."
Somebody came in, with the money
counted it all out...
We're talking sort of a hundred thousand dollars plus
which in those... I mean, even now it's a lot of money
but then, it was a Iot of money.
Put it all in a briefcase, and made to go.
It was very primitive.
I think that what Bernie had
was the wheeler-dealer attitude.
Bernie is, fundamentally, a gambler.
Canada, '75
we couldn't get the Canadian organisers
to sign the contract we wanted signed.
And Bernie said to them
"If it's not signed by midnight, we're not coming."
It wasn't signed.
This was a deal that was on the table
until whenever the date was, and if not, bye-bye.
Bernie was just on the edge
of being a little bit coarse.
Max was so smooth.
They then made contact with him immediately.
Said, "It's OK, it's OK.
We will pay the money." Cos it was all about money.
So, there was then a meeting of the teams
in Graham Hill's motor home...
and they were sort of agreeing to go to the race.
And I said, "No, no, you absolutely can't do that."
But everybody was saying, "Oh, come on, Max
don't be so... What's the problem?"
I said, "If you've got a hostage situation
and you say, 'If you don't do this by 11 o'clock'
the hostage gets killed.'"
I said, "Look
the body's gotta come out the door at one minute past 11
otherwise you lose all credibility."
In the past, they've all left the meeting, and said
well, "Meet again at the next race"
or "Let's have a chat." Or something.
But Max was Max. That's the difference.
The effect of that was that from then on
deadlines were taken really seriously.
But because of all of the conflict
between the organisers and Ecclestone
there were a lot of people saying
"Well, maybe there won't be a Grand Prix season next year."
The goal was to keep the organisers together.
Each time they all got together
Bernie and I would go out of our way to break it up.
It was always very simple: divide and rule
and so we'd do a deal with this organiser or that organiser.
We always used to sort of have in our mind
a little graveyard with "Duffeler...
...Treu, Le Guezec."
I mean, they're all friends.
We've sort of stayed friendly with all of them
but we did, as we put it, bury them one after another.
Bernie had succeeded in undercutting me.
He said, "I'm the king.
I'm going to be running the show my way."
By then, we were, effectively, running Formula One.
And of course
it's always when you think...
you're now totally in charge
that the big problems really come.
And, of course, they came
in the shape of Jean-Marie Balestre.
Jean-Marie Balestre became president of FISA
the famous "Federation Internationale
du Sport Automobile."
He was bragging
he was gonna run circles around Ecclestone.
It became quite clear that his idea was
that he should be running Formula One, and not us.
And obviously, we didn't agree.
That was the real start of the FISA-FOCA war.
One of the things we wanted to do
was destabilise him as much as we could.
Make things difficult for him.
I used to publish a column called "Private Ear"
which was written by Nick Brittan.
One of the last things we did
was publish a picture of Balestre in Nazi uniform.
There were pictures floating around
from Mr Balestre in his SS uniform. Yes, sir.
That was unfortunate. We didn't really...
...approve. We don't know exactly who organised that.
He was 19 years old.
So, you know, it was always held very much against him.
I just thought... "Why worry?"
I did find out some...
this was six or seven years later...
that that had been planted.
Given to Nick by one M. Mosley.
It's a great story, but it's just not true.
I never actually had one of these pictures
so I couldn't have given it to anybody.
The first real conflict was artificial
in that FISA decreed
that the driver should come to a briefing just before the race.
So we told the drivers not to go.
And most of them didn't.
FISA then suspended their licenses.
The next race was Spain.
Balestre said unless the fine was paid, they couldn't race.
So we said, "Well, we're not paying any fines."
And we raced anyway
and almost all the teams followed our lead.
But Ferrari, Alpha Romeo, Renault, didn't participate.
A race without Ferrari was not a Grand Prix race.
Bernie and Max were trying by all means
to try to break this front
made by Ferrari, Alpha Romeo, Renault.
We then announced that we were starting a rival governing body
and we had a press conference in the hotel
right next to the headquarters of the FIA in Paris.
And everybody turned up.
Some people like Colin Chapman and Frank Williams.
They were all there.
It was bluff, essentially
because, in reality, we wouldn't have wanted our own series.
We wanted Formula One.
"The World Federation of Motorsport present
the World Professional Drivers Championship."
Oh, yes. That's it.
That is... That is the document we produced and sent out.
That's it, yes.
The sporting rules, all stolen from the FIA.
The technical regulations, all stolen from the FIA.
A background to the FOCA-FISA split
which was generous to describe it as tendentious
but anyway, it was...
it was our side of the story.
"Agreement between the Formula One constructors..."
Oh! Well, here we are.
"On behalf of MRD limited
Bernie, Brabham, Frank Williams, Tyrrell...
Ferrari..."
This is what triggered it all, at the end of the day.
Enzo Ferrari changed sides
because we were trying to improve
the position of the teams
increase the money of the teams.
That was in Ferrari's interest.
He obviously... He really liked Bernie.
He liked all of us because we were racers
which is, fundamentally, what he was.
He was sort of, more or less, an upmarket Ecclestone.
He was a used car dealer in better quality cars.
At one point
Ferrari said to Bernie
"Ec-cle-stone..." He always used to say
"Ec-cle-stone, you should never talk about the money.
Talk about the sport."
He said, "If you're running a brothel
you don't put 'brothel' in big letters.
You put 'hotel', and the brothel is in the basement."
He probably thought I'd have been a customer.
Since Enzo Ferrari was now on our side
it was a difficult situation for Balestre.
We tried to put together
a ceasefire and possibly a peace agreement.
The reception was pretty cold.
Balestre went absolutely berserk.
I mean, it was revolution.
Enzo Ferrari finally called Balestre, and said
"Don't be too quick to go against Bernie.
After all, he produces the money."
Balestre and FISA lost their nerve at that point.
The deal was FIA is rules.
FOCA was money.
But he said it had to be called "The Concorde Agreement"
and be signed in Paris.
Well, for us, that was no problem.
They let Balestre think that he was doing stuff.
But they essentially controlled everything.
Bernie had a goal of money.
I took all the financial risks.
So, it was never necessary
to think we'd need control, it happens.
I don't think there's anyone
that's put their own money into motorsport as much as I have.
For Bernie, money is power.
And he liked the power.
Oh, yes. Oh, yes.
Ultimately
it was the biggest game in town.
And I mean game because Max and Bernie played it as a game.
Big game, big numbers.
But they were just smart.
As far as I went myself...
1981, The Concorde Agreement
really was the end of it.
I wanted out.
Bernie and I used this place since the '80s
so a really long time.
They're very good. They're very helpful.
Yes, exactly.
And they sort of understand that
which so many people don't.
He's got a 7X, so... that's a Dassault.
Actually, he's had that a long time
but I can't justify anymore having one
because I hardly ever fly, you know?
So, I've... in a way, sort of downgraded to this
but this... for flying around Europe, this is perfect.
Indian cars.
We're going to see a standard crash test
into an offset deformable barrier.
By the end of this month
we will have tested 30 Indian cars in total.
But worst of all was the Tata Nano.
The dummy actually improved
the crash performance of the car.
If it had been a human being
it would've been more mashed human.
Oh, don't.
Wow. It's incredible.
So, you imagine that in a typical street...
what might have been happening...
you know, if you're a bicyclist passing by.
The child doesn't seem to have done very well.
You can smell the gas from the airbag.
Yeah.
We've now got a cluster of four-star cars
and even more, kind of, puts us on edge
is that a couple of those are this close to five-star.
So we're right on the edge of something quite historic.
It's almost too painful to contemplate where...
Will this work? Will this fail?
It'll be very disappointing
if we don't get the first five-star car in India.
Sir Oswald Mosley, welcome to a special Today programme.
You... gave me the impression
that you still believe the call might come for you.
- Do you really believe that? - Oh, yes.
I'm much better now than I've ever been in my life.
Better at what, sir?
Better at politics.
And I hope more wisdom than I had when I was young.
At least, that seems
to be the impression of a good many people.
Therefore, while you have your health and strength
you go on improving.
The experience I had..
I found out my father died
when I got a call from my brother...
which wasn't entirely unexpected
but, of course, it's always very sad.
That's always very sad
but it's... it's in the nature of things.
Yeah. Uh...
positive and negative, but...
I kind of separated myself.
Completely different life. My own life.
Unattached to his politics.
But I'd lived in his shadow the whole time.
It was watershed in the sense
that I felt I could go into politics in England.
I suggested to Mrs Thatcher once
that she should put him in the cabinet.
A bit difficult because he was on the other side, actually.
I remember saying to my father
"When you were my age, you'd been a minister
you'd been in the First World War."
He'd done an amazing amount by the time he was 30.
And he was then on course to be
well, be eventually Prime Minister
the leader of the Labour Party, and so on.
And I felt sort of inadequate because he really had
I mean, by the time he was 30, he'd done it all.
And the rest of his life was
for all practical purposes, wasted.
Then I decided that
I might spend ten years looking for a seat.
I'd be in my fifties, it'd be too late to do anything.
It's one of the few things
that I believe he hasn't made a big enough effort.
He always believed...
that it was because of his dad's position
that that's the reason.
It probably wasn't the right place for me.
It might've been, I don't know. We'll never know.
So then, in 1985...
I went back into motorsport.
But this time I went back in a different way.
I came back to run a FISA commission.
Bernie was helpful to get the presidency of the commission
because it would be useful
for him to have an ally in the World Council.
And then from that position, I became President of the FISA.
And after that
it was a relatively short step to become President of the FIA.
Are you a stooge for Bernie Ecclestone
sitting at the top end now, as a president?
Are you gonna help him on his way?
Or if he needs any help, that is.
Um...
I don't want to be... sort of sound conceited
but... if I'm a stooge, you know
he's done bloody well to get such a good... A stooge.
He knew exactly what he wanted to achieve.
And I would do anything I could do
to make sure it happened, and he helped me.
There was quite a lot of complimentary synergy
between Max and Bernie.
In effect, it became a cartel.
This was a very good time
for Formula One
because they were very efficient
and if the team and the Federation decide something
it happens the next day.
Teams knew they were gonna get paid.
They made ordinary people extraordinarily rich.
These two...
made Formula One what it is.
The cars were getting safer...
and the drivers were becoming complacent.
The conventional wisdom then was
"Well, we haven't had a fatality for..."
I think it was 12 years
and, you know, "It's not dangerous anymore."
And it was just obvious, a child could see...
watching the cars
particularly in certain circuits, certain corners
it was very dangerous.
But you couldn't really move anything.
I was responsible for
all the technical rules.
We hadn't had any serious accidents
since Elio de Angelis was killed at Paul Ricard in '86.
Bearing in mind, you know
it was always a dreadful thing
but in the '70s, it was almost common.
But it may be that we will turn around and say
"Well, if you want to race at that speed
every now and then, this is gonna happen."
The whole weekend was a complete disaster.
There was accidents from the morning until the evening.
I was there on the Friday
when Barrichello had his accident.
And it was a very serious accident.
He swallowed his tongue.
If Sid hadn't been there
quickly, it could've been very serious.
And then on the Saturday, Ratzenberger got killed.
And that was a... like, a big shock.
Grand Prix of San Marino...
And then on the Sunday
my wife was there with me
while we were watching this at home on television
just sitting in my sitting room
there were two other life-threatening incidents.
There was one with the mechanics in the pit lane
and then there was a crash on the start line
where a piece of one of the cars went in the crowd
and seriously injured a spectator.
Up into the grandstand.
It's gone into the grandstand.
And then we had Senna.
As you can see, the safety car is on course
leading the field past the site of the wreckage.
I remember it like it was yesterday.
They were going into the top chicane
and Senna pulled alongside the safety car
with his visor up
and he was going, "Go faster, faster."
Warm the tyres up.
These engines do not like running at these low speeds.
Him going, "We can't, we can't go any faster. It's impossible."
We do have a green flag
and Ayrton Senna's away with Michael Schumacher.
And then he had his accident.
He'd hit the wall and he'd got a head injury.
You could tell it was bad.
I knew there'd be a phone call, and sure enough
somebody called
and they explained that he was dead.
And that was, again
it was really sad
because I knew him and liked him, and...
I remember walking out into the garden
sort of thinking about it.
It was a lovely spring day.
You know, you sort of think, "This is... This is so bad.
It's so unnecessary, it shouldn't happen."
And you feel responsible.
Suddenly...
the whole world was talking about safety.
Every magazine, every newspaper was front page
Formula One is finished. Formula One, bla bla, da da.
It was really hard.
Then, two weeks later, in Monaco...
Karl Wendlinger had a serious accident
coming out of the tunnel.
Wendlinger hit the barrier
and was in a coma for two, three weeks.
You know, you have Imola, you have Monte Carlo. Bam, bam.
At that point, panic set in.
Some of the big manufacturers were saying
"We want to pull out."
The upside was that a whole lot of things
that needed doing could be done very quickly
and nobody would really be
politically, in a position to stop us.
There is no need for fatalities in motorsport.
The organising aim should be to eliminate the risk.
We used to get people saying, and politicians saying
"Our target is to reduce casualties
by 50% over the next ten years."
And I said, "No, no, no. No, you can't do that.
That's like saying
50% of the number of people we're killing is OK.
It isn't. You've gotta say the target is zero."
One of the things that Max decided to do was
to set up a new working group
led by Sid Watkins.
And one of the things I said to Sid was...
the governments must be doing a massive research on...
safety for road cars
because, at that stage, in the EU
which was then just 12 countries
they were killing 50,000 people a year.
One knew that the governments
must be doing something enormous
and surely we could benefit from this massive research.
So, Sid looked into it
came back and said
"They haven't done anything since 1974."
So he suddenly found two missions.
Fix the safety level in F1
and for road cars as well.
I always imagined while we were working away in the sport
that someone in government somewhere
was working on my behalf
and I have to confess, I was astonished when I learnt
that they've allowed 20 years to go by and done nothing.
The problem was, effectively
he car industry had written the legislation.
It was quite obvious to me
that there was an enormous amount to be done.
And probably nobody else in the world
in as good a position
as the president of the FIA to have an effect on that.
And I could see there was enormous potential
which had never been touched.
Almost exactly at that time, David Ward came to work for us.
He'd been the right hand man of John Smith
the leader of the Labour Party back in 1994.
Max offered me this completely new position
to set up an FIA office in Brussels.
David Ward knew Alan Donnelly very well.
A very significant player within the European Parliament...
Secretary of the Economic Committee
and Relations to the United States Congress.
All sorts of things like that.
Between us, we then started Euro NCAP
in Brussels, where we bought the cars
crashed them in a laboratory and published the results.
The industry reacted with fury.
It was like...
Really, it was, "You keep out of our business.
We design the car."
We would urge caution in, be it understanding
whether a car is safe or unsafe, purely from these tests.
I mean, it was the same thing with other countries.
Crash testing the Mexican version
and the American version of the same car.
The dummies in the American car walked away.
And in the Mexican car, they were all dead.
The message is very clear
that that manufacturer thinks Mexicans don't matter
because there's nothing to stop him making the car
to the same standard.
They just don't bother.
We had the advantage that we were independent
and what we were doing was actually truthful.
And in some of the most thorough going tests
carried out on cars anywhere in the world
they were particularly critical of the Rover 100.
The Mini Metro, the old Rover 100
was in the crash test, and did very badly.
And within... within weeks, sales had just gone off a cliff.
The Mini Metro that my parents were driving at the time
was taken off the road because it was a death trap.
The tests are worrying to us because they cover
testing requirements in excess of anything
that we have to design to, both now and in the future.
The industry resisted
but, inevitably...
one of them broke ranks.
The smart people knew that this was coming down the road.
And so, secretly, they were already testing their cars
according to the new standard.
A few weeks later, Volvo did quite well
and they couldn't resist. They got a four-star result.
A side impact protection system
designed to dilute even the most severe impact.
All industry loyalty lasted, you know, a nanosecond
and they all started stabbing each other in the back.
The first car that got five stars was a Renault.
Of course, Renault used it as a big PR thing that they...
So, we went from
where this legislation was going to bring the end
of the European car industry because of the cost
to suddenly being a fantastic advertising tool
for the manufacturers.
Isn't it extraordinary that that hadn't dawned on them?
I just find it extraordinary.
Between then and now
we've had 50% reduction in occupant fatalities.
Euro NCAP saved 78,000 lives, just in the EU.
Well, if you think that for every life saved
there's usually about eight serious injuries
so that's 78,000 lives and about 600,000 serious injuries.
That is massive.
And when you think of the impact on a family
just one, one life...
it's just devasting.
Euro NCAP itself is a charity
and Formula One was the FIA's main source of money
so we persuaded Bernie to make a long-term commitment.
It was $313.6 million.
I mean, it was really important
because that has enabled the FIA foundation
to spend 10, 15 million dollars a year
on road safety and motorsport safety.
Max had this vision of what needed to be done.
I wanted to start Global NCAP
as a sort of umbrella organisation for NCAPs worldwide
but I was still President of the FIA.
So, in 2004, I actually resigned.
I'd already got it in mind
that my successor ought to be Jean Todt.
I thought, you know, he'd do a good job.
He'd made Ferrari work.
And he'd agreed to do it.
I said, "Look...
I'm going to... to leave Ferrari."
At the time
I felt I achieved most of what I wanted to achieve.
So I gave my availability.
Then, Ferrari asked me to become CEO
and they made me a proposal
which I felt was difficult to refuse.
So... I had a difficult task to call Max
and he was very annoyed about that
because he said, "I don't want to stay."
We persuaded Max to reconsider his resignation and continue.
So I said, "Well, alright.
I'll stay on for another four years."
So I used the Formula One brand to promote global road safety.
- Michael. - Looks good.
We present to you this new safety campaign initiative
in joint cooperation with the FIA foundation.
The biggest killer worldwide for young people
are road accidents.
We're trying to mobilise opinion worldwide
to do something about it.
Looking back, I probably stayed too long.
Max delayed actually in a way that he now regrets very much.
Had he not, I think a lot of things might be different.
Because even though I wanted to focus on safety
I was inundated with
one Formula One scandal after another.
The most controversial thing in my entire presidency
probably was Indianapolis, 2005.
You had three teams on Bridgestone tyres
seven teams on Michelin tyres
and, during practice, it became evident
that the Michelin cars could not go round turn 13.
Michelin wanted us to put a chicane in
to make the speed in the last corner slower
so that their tyres would last.
It was stupid because Bridgestone tyres were fine.
It was only Michelin.
We said we're not prepared to put a chicane in
and we offered them alternatives
all unpalatable, of course
but it would've allowed them to compete.
It was a lot of theatre
with people like Flavio, visibly and publicly furious
by what was going on.
What we ask is only what Michelin ask
a different configuration of the circuit
if it was possible to change.
So why did that not happen?
You need to talk with the Federation, I don't know why.
You know what our plan is for the start.
Straight in the pits, please, mate.
And so we had just six cars.
And what is the reaction of the crowd?
Well, it's stunned.
I think it's an extremely sad day for Formula One.
We're all leaving. Tell Bernie Ecclestone we're out of here.
They had big signs up saying, "Blame Mosley," you know
which you would, you know, but it was the right thing to do.
Max had got it in his mind
that he was gonna cancel that race.
That was not funny, at all. That's why I was completely mad.
It's always the greatest crisis that's ever hit Formula One.
And then, two weeks later, you go somewhere else
and there's another great crisis.
And then there was so-called "SpyGate."
Chief mechanic at Ferrari
got in touch with McLaren
and supplied them
with the complete intellectual property of Ferrari.
So there were 700 pages of detailed technical data.
Today's evidence clearly demonstrated
that we did not use any leaked information
to gain a competitive advantage.
Actually, there were, floating around, some emails.
And once we had the emails
we could summon them again, which we did.
Max told me once
he said there was a moment when everything was clear.
And that was the moment where we asked Ron
to be honest, to apologise
to put those things on the table.
But he didn't want to accept.
I genuinely think it's a pity
that he didn't do what he should've done
is pick the phone up to Jean Todt
and say, "You've got a spy in your midst giving us stuff."
And that would've just shut the whole thing down.
And, by now, he'd have his knighthood
and all the rest of it.
; Max, I think
very seriously considered
just kicking McLaren out of Formula One, full stop.
And I said, "This would be throwing them out full time.
There must be a better way."
And that's why I proposed that they had a $100 million fine.
I got the blame for this
but it was Bernie who actually said it.
That was $5 million for the offence
and $95 million cos Ron was a cunt.
It wasn't just a legal decision.
I don't mean that it was personal
but we're not talking about a judge with a wig
who's never seen the defendant before.
They know each other. They go back 30 years.
Max was always one for a fight.
Never one to take a conciliatory approach.
Max didn't get through his career
without making some enemies somewhere along the line.
But then, of course, I had another little problem
as I'm sure you've heard.
It was a perfectly normal Sunday morning.
I got a call
from the FIA press man, Richard Woods, saying
"Have you seen the News of the World?"
Well, I hadn't. I never saw the News of the World.
I don't know anybody who did see the News of the World.
And so I went and bought a couple of copies
and there it all was.
The head of communications for the FIA rang me
on the Sunday morning, and he said
"You'd better get a copy of the News of the World."
Someone phoned me and said
"Have you seen the News of the World?"
I said, "No, I never see the News of the World."
And he said, "I think you should."
I was in New York at a UN event
with Jean Todt and Michelle Yeoh.
We were all rather astonished.
Front page and several pages inside
it was a huge story.
And the main sort of thrust of it
was that this was... I suppose they called it an "orgy"
I'd call it a "party."
As soon as I saw it at the store
I was on the phone immediately.
"Have you seen it? It's unbelievable!"
Certainly, he was stitched up like a kipper.
I looked through it, and, you know
your heart's in your mouth...
when you see this.
And they said it had a Nazi theme.
Well, that was completely untrue.
Right from the beginning, I thought, this is just weird.
Horrible moment, really.
I then showed the paper to my wife.
Her immediate reaction was
that I'd had it printed specially as a joke
cos it's the sort of thing I would do.
And so I had to explain, actually, it wasn't a joke.
And how did that conversation go, Max?
I think I've sort of managed to suppress it in my memory
but it wasn't a happy conversation, obviously.
People do all sorts of odd things in the bedroom
and say things...
and no way, it's private.
It was an assault.
They breached his privacy in the mo...
I mean, filming someone having sex in their own home
and then finally to associate that with, you know
suggestions of Nazi orgies
I think was just, you know, it was just so wrong.
Here I am
trying to do something useful and constructive.
They're publishing a story
which is of no interest. Completely private.
It's just them trying to sell a few newspapers.
It happened in a basement flat
somewhere in this part of Chelsea in West London.
The next thing on the tape is the sound
of a bottom being spanked.
If something is demonstrably true
and it poses a threat to neither national security
nor the personal safety of anybody involved
should newspapers be allowed to print it?
And the answer is yes.
And the problem is...
if you don't want to see it printed, don't do it.
The editor of the News of the World said
that the "sick Nazi orgy" description was justified.
Wasn't it tasteless fantasy, though? Isn't there...
Oh, completely tasteless, completely tasteless
but it was intended to be private.
So any breach of taste
you'd have to blame the people that secretly filmed it.
And you think that he will most likely not survive this.
I'm afraid he will most likely not survive it.
Flavio did everything he could to sort of cause trouble.
I think Max had a couple of very good allies in Jean Todt
who had given him his support from the very beginning.
And Adam Parr, he was very supportive as well.
But I think Flavio was probably in the other camp.
I think Flavio saw himself
as somehow ascending to the throne.
I was supposed to go to Bahrain
and then they sort of indicated they didn't want me to come.
I think if he had been working
for any multinational corporation
public company...
I fear he would've already had to resign.
What I remember most clearly was a meeting
in which Flavio opened...
and said...
"Max has gotta go."
Bernie then said
"Why don't we all write a letter to Max
and say, 'Max, you've done an amazing job for Formula One.
Thank you. Now it's time to step down.'"
And then I said to Bernie
"Write the letter, you sign it, get everyone else to sign it
and then send it to me and I'll think about it."
And Bernie went absolutely ballistic, and said
"You're trying to do to me what I used to do to people
when I was 14 years old."
Bernie Ecclestone refused to give an interview
that would either criticise or even defend his old friend.
Instead, just saying that Mosley's future
is now entirely a matter for the FIA.
I was in a very difficult position
because nearly all the sponsors said to me
actually made an effort to get to me to say
"You've got to get Max out of the FIA. We can't have him."
There were definitely personal scores being settled.
I don't think anyone in Formula One
would take the moral high ground on that.
Was this an opportunity to change...
the dynamics of Formula One?
Monaco was quite funny because...
...the CVC people
went around... went to go around the paddock
trying to get the teams to sign a thing saying
that I ought to resign.
Max was Max.
He was extremely calm.
It was his first time back in the paddock, I think.
There was Flavio saying, "This is our opportunity, Bernie
to run this sport together, without Max."
And then there was the people saying it's bad
for the governance of the sport and sponsors, whatever.
And then there was the people with a grudge.
And I know from personal experience
that they were on the phone all the time.
I was completely unaware of it.
Now, partly that is, I think
because people don't go out of their way to be offensive.
But also
I do have this tendency to walk around in a bubble.
I think he was hurt that he didn't get the fulsome support
that he would have expected from Bernie.
But you know, because they were so close
people always assumed that they were joined at the hip.
And this was the one moment where there was...
you could see daylight between them.
I think people just assumed he would disappear off
but that's not the nature of Max Mosley.
If you cross him, he will fight ferociously.
Everybody was saying I should resign.
Out of the way, before I get upset.
Somebody's sex life is private.
And if a newspaper are low enough to publicise it
that should not affect what they do.
If it had remained private...
it would be a private matter
but it is not a private matter any longer.
It had no effect on my job.
So I called the General Assembly
several people, Bernie, for example, advised me against.
He says, "It's terrible, you'll lose the vote
it'll be so humiliating."
But nothing compared to being world champion boxer.
I mean, you get in that ring and there's half a chance
you're going to get knocked out.
And I really admire those people.
You've just got to face the fact that you can lose.
But that's not an argument for not fighting.
Max Mosley
the head of World Motorsport's governing body, the FIA
has survived a vote of confidence
in his leadership at a meeting in Paris this morning.
And of course, in fact, I won it two to one.
And the people who voted against
were all sort of people who didn't want me there anyway.
I don't even think Bernie was at the meeting.
First phone call I had...
I think Bernie rang me.
He didn't think I was gonna win.
He said, "Well done."
He couldn't say anything else, could he?
He couldn't say, "I'm super pissed off."
"Thought we got rid of you" or something.
It's a very interesting question
why Bernie didn't support Max at that critical moment.
Bernie chose not to.
And I think he sorely regretted that decision.
I went to an FIA meeting
and sort of apologised
for actually having supported the fact that he should resign.
I should have been behind him, supporting him.
Out of all the things I've done in my life
that's probably the one thing that I'm ashamed of.
I don't really want to get sort of
stuck into Bernie about it
cos it's old history, you know.
The News of the World, however, is a different matter.
My first thought, I think
when I first opened the paper and looked at it...
I thought, "This is war."
"I'm gonna go after these people
and nobody is entitled to do that to anybody else.
And certainly not to me."
There's a famous story about someone saying to Bernie
"Do you think Max knows
what he's taken on with Rupert Murdoch?"
And Bernie said
"I'm just wondering whether Rupert Murdoch knows
what he's taken on with Max."
Rupert Murdoch owns...
a big chunk of the British press.
In particular, he owns the News of the World
The Sun, The Times and The Sunday Times.
I said, "I don't care if I have to pay all the costs."
I'm gonna get them in the witness box
and demonstrate that they're liars."
Trial begins today.
News Group will argue
their story is in the public interest.
So they had to invent a public interest.
So what did they do? They said, "Ah, it's Nazi."
To film somebody doing sexual activities in private is...
well, it's illegal to publish it
unless there's a public interest.
The reason they said it had a Nazi theme
was German was spoken.
Max Mosley looked on intently
as the court was played an audio recording
from a sex party he attended in early March.
Four of the ladies turned up and...
gave evidence at the trial
and their testimony
immediately destroyed the Nazi accusation.
The head of World Motorsport, Max Mosley
has won his privacy court action
in London against a British newspaper.
Right, well I'd like to say
that I'm delighted with that judgment
which is devastating for the News of the World.
It also shows
that they had no right to go into private premises
and take pictures and films of adults engaged in activities
which are no one's business
but those of the people concerned.
The woman who did the film was put up to it
by her husband who worked for MI5.
And I think he just did it to get some money.
I would never have said that it was Nazi.
And what would you say to Max Mosley
if you could speak to him now?
Just... I'd get on my knees and apologise, to be honest.
I didn't have any reaction
to what she said, other than to think
"Well, why the hell did she do it?"
You know, I mean, it was so stupid
and unnecessary and pointless
and damaging to her and everybody else.
I mean, I got £60,000.
Up till then, I think the biggest award
had been £3,000 for breach of privacy.
It wasn't exactly a good deal.
Who was behind it? I honestly have no idea.
Well, the only connection I've ever imagined there might be
is that after SpyGate
a correspondent wrote an article in The Sunday Times
in which Max was accused of a witch hunt against McLaren.
And Max sued for libel.
And it just so happens that The Sunday Times
and the News of the World
were in the same Murdoch stable.
It wasn't just the News of the World, you know
deciding to do that.
There were people who wanted
to damage Max's reputation from the Formula One world
who got the ball rolling.
There were three suspects in Formula One.
And then there's the possibility
that it was literally just the MI5 man
and his wife sort of thinking, "This is a quick few bob."
Whoever it was
it had a profoundly negative effect on me
and, of course, my family.
The effect on my wife and my children
was far worse than on me.
And, of course, they were absolutely not to blame.
Alexander was a depressive, and...
like a lot of depressives, the drugs didn't work.
I mean, it's the most awful problem.
I got a call from Patrick.
You know, and I mean...
and of course, your first reaction
in a thing like, in a situation like that is...
it's not true.
That somebody's made a mistake.
There's nothing worse than losing a child.
When it's your father that you sort of...
one hopes, sort of like to look up to and so on...
it's so undignified.
So it's... it was really bad.
I think it had a big effect on him.
Whether it tipped the balance, I don't know.
Probably, of the things that can happen to you
it's the worst.
And Jean, she'll never get over it.
I don't ever get over it, but you can't undo it.
Max is very good at hiding his feelings.
It's the one occasion which Max's defence slips.
You can see, you know, this goes deep.
I just think it was the most horrific summer.
He did leave the FIA in the end, in 2009.
And he, I mean, he left more or less on his own terms.
It's all challenge and response.
I tend to be at my most vulnerable
when there's nothing particular going on.
A lot of other people would've just wanted
to sort of disappear and hide
but he did the exact opposite.
After I won my case against News International
I decided not to leave it there.
There plainly needed to be a change in the law.
Max is an ex-barrister
and brilliant at sort of
thinking tactically, outside the box
and fearless.
You know, completely fearless
ready to take on the biggest monsters.
I'm very glad he's my friend, not my enemy.
I don't actually like fighting the big guys
because there's a serious danger
of losing when you do that
but sometimes you've got to do it.
I've done nothing except concentrate on various aspects
of bringing out into the public domain
the full truth.
It turned out that the News of the World
had been systematically breaking the law
to get stories.
It was hardcore.
The open theft of people's medical records
trackers on people's cars, hacked phones...
They were completely out of control.
Then, in July, 2011
the whole Milly Dowler scandal blew up here.
The News of the World had hacked the phone
of a teenager who'd been abducted
and was subsequently murdered.
And the public was revolted by that.
Today, the whole family walked behind her coffin
past the spot where the teenager vanished
on her way home from the station.
The News of the World had been behind
the deletion of Milly Dowler's voicemails.
This is the latest twist
in the long-running phone hacking scandal
an ever-growing number of people
whose messages were allegedly accessed
by the Sunday tabloid's private investigator
Glenn Mulcaire.
Soon as I saw that
I realised, "This... This changes the whole game."
And of course, then, it was like an avalanche.
We discovered that, in fact, New Scotland Yard
had significant amounts of information
that had not been disclosed.
During the 2007 inquiry
police officers found evidence that staff
from the News of the World were using private investigators
to hack into thousands of mobile phones.
They operated in an atmosphere of total impunity
because the politicians were too scared to take them on
because the press had the power to make or break
a politician's career, a prime minister's career.
Rupert Murdoch had the British government
and the police really under control.
The only people he didn't control were the judiciary
and without them, he'd still be doing what he was doing.
Media mogul Rupert Murdoch is in Idaho this week.
Do you walk this fast all the time?
Only when I'm running away from you guys.
And they knew they were working
for a criminal organisation that destroyed people's lives.
One of the senior editors, actually, is on record as saying
"That's what we do.
We go out and ruin people's lives."
Well, how should an organisation like that
be allowed to continue?
Apart from the News of the World
it seemed to me completely clear.
The Sun had been at it, The Mail was at it...
The Mirror had been at it.
And of course, they all denied it.
They all lied in their teeth.
Rebecca Brooks and News International chairman
James Murdoch, refused to answer questions
as they left their meeting.
This led to a prosecution
and a massive government inquiry into tabloid culture.
Mr Dacre said that I was guilty of unimaginable depravity
but it reflects very badly on his imagination.
But, apart from that...
...the world has moved on.
The only person who hasn't moved on is Mr Dacre.
And, funnily enough, I read in The Independent this morning
that apparently I do the same thing.
I trade on my... good name
and therefore, uh...
there's a public interest defence
in going into my private life
but I wasn't aware I traded on my good name.
I mean, I've never had a good name
and it does...
and it's made absolutely no difference at all.
I'm the man who was arrested with a prostitute
and the film still made tons of money.
Horribly, I accused my friends and family
of selling stories, and they accused each other as well.
We now know your phones were being hacked.
Yes, with my publicist, we had a separate number
that we would only speak to each other on that number.
And subsequently, I found out that Glenn Mulcaire
had that number as well.
So, just every area of my life
was... was under constant surveillance.
It was an inquiry, not a trial
but Leveson won.
It ended with the judge making some recommendations
that were actually extremely mild.
I think probably the best moment
and it sounds awful, this, in a way
but the best moment was when
there was this television picture of that Myler
who'd been editor when they did the story about me
leading his staff out of the News of the World
for the last time.
This is not where we wanted to be.
And it's not where we deserve to be.
There were probably some decent people
working with the News of the World, but not many.
I think most people who've seen
what Max has done
particularly on the phone hacking campaign
which is seen as trying to promote fairness
and transparency and decency.
I've got Legion d'Honneur, I've got the Grande Ufficiale
I've got a thing from the German car industry for road safety.
It goes on and on and on.
This is an extraordinary surprise
because my book is only partly a sports book.
So I feel I'm slightly here under false pretences.
When I had a time when people were being nice about me
it never really felt quite real
because from childhood on
I've always found myself, whether it was my fault or not
at the subject of criticism
even if it was only because of my parents, and so on.
So, it never felt quite right
I sometimes put my Legion d'Honneur on
but the only point of them is they annoy your enemies.
Max has an excellent engine turning his brain.
His intelligence is excellent.
A most powerful acceleration.
Some problem with the brakes.
Max Mosley is now using data protection laws
to try to limit what the press can say
about people's past.
Including his own.
The press do not want ordinary people
who can't afford to bring an action against the press
don't want them to have access to justice.
I can understand that, but I don't sympathise.
I want the Crime and Courts Act to come into force
which would mean somebody who's got no money
could still challenge them if they write something inaccurate.
I knew I had some unfinished business with the press
but I also knew I had to deal with
some very difficult and unscrupulous people.
This is a scandal of our time
that their noble Lordship should've put into law
a piece of legislation
that has been pushed, harried through
by perhaps one of the most disreputable figures
in British public life.
I refer, of course, to Mr Max Mosley.
The political world
takes itself a bit too seriously, I think.
Max doesn't take himself too seriously.
Does the panel think it's fair
that the super-rich and privileged
can buy protection for their reputations
when they stray like randy tom cats?
Max Mosley.
Oh, dear.
I thought that was gonna be me.
People sometimes have a go at me because they think I'm rich.
But, I mean, it's completely unjustified
because, insofar as I've got a little bit of money and time
I have been using that, for many years
to try and defend the interests of people who don't.
"Former F1 boss begins legal bid to limit free speech."
Well, that's very arguable. [HE CHUCKLES
The extraordinary thing is
the headline is "In Self Defence," and then it says
"Privacy campaigners have no business
undermining press freedom
and the rule of law, however deep their pockets."
Well, how could we be said to be undermining the rule of law
if you're just telling them
"If you don't agree with me, we'll go to the High Court
and a judge will decide."
There we go.
"Mosley legal bid to scrub his orgy from history."
I mean, it's... it's just shit papers, you know.
Rubbish.
The Daily Mail. Their editor, Dacre
he was one of the leading lights
against any proper press regulation.
The growing clamour for more regulation
ignores the uncomfortable truth
that the press is already on the very cusp
of being over-regulated.
The thing that really infuriated him
was that I went and provided the funding
for a recognised press regulator.
Then I became public enemy number one.
The Daily Mail decided to have a...
sort of massive go at me
with the front page and ten more pages inside
so, 11 pages altogether
all about what happened in 1961.
I think behind this is Paul Dacre
the man who edits The Daily Mail
who... you know...
The thing is, I was quite rude about him in my book.
Really the only people
that think they can go into the bedroom
of consenting adults
and tell them what they should or should not do
are the Taliban, and Mr Dacre.
He's the Kensington Taliban, actually.
If I found out that all he ever does is turn the light out
and draw the curtains and assume the missionary position
well, that's his business. It's not up to me.
And the result is this sort of thing.
And then they went on for several more days...
because the gutter press were intent on destroying me
and all the work we'd done.
Leveson One was about
what is the appropriate way to regulate the media.
Leveson Two was to look at
what was essentially criminal behaviour.
The Conservatives were clearly under a lot of pressure
from their closest friends in the media
were strongly against it.
But it was a pledge, nevertheless.
I mean, it's quite striking how you have a question
in the House of Commons
for Theresa May to answer all about this.
Does she share my concerns about the links
Max Mosley has within press, and the links
Max Mosley has with some of our leading politicians?
The free press is very important.
It underpins our democracy.
The fact that you have, within a 48-hour period
a huge hit on one of the main campaigners
for Leveson Two
and then, literally the next day
the government is reneging on its commitment
to set up Leveson Two.
That is just too much of a coincidence.
Leveson Two was successfully shut down.
Completely. It was successfully shut down
so there has to be a reaction.
And the reaction is the courts.
Yeah. Yeah, we have to do it another way.
The job's not done.
If they think they've got away with it, they're wrong.
The country needs releasing from this octopus grip
of a few attack-shy, non-resident billionaires.
The Daily Mail has been hugely influential
especially with the Conservative Party.
It's all very ironic, because in the 1930s
The Daily Mail was a strong supporter of fascism
Mussolini and Oswald Mosely.
The legacy of Max being his father's son
keeps coming back to haunt him.
- Hi, there. - Max.
I'm Dan Sabbagh from the Guardian.
Hello, listen, this isn't a trap.
Who are these people?
They're doing a film about road safety.
It's not sinister at all.
Road safety? Marvellous.
Yeah. Sorry, because that's what I do most of my time on
but this is a distraction.
- Well, I can see that. Yes. - Come on in.
Yes, great.
Are you glad to be back in the news?
No, I mean, because I...
if we could get the same sort of publicity
for the road safety thing...
I mean, for example, you know, as in India
four hundred people a day die there on the roads.
All this business about what happened 55 or 60 years ago...
I have to say I find mind-numbingly tedious
but I suppose I would say that.
Can you ever escape from your father?
No. I mean, the thing is that, uh...
I mean, it's a pity, in a way
cos I think if I'd come from an ordinary family...
or a normal family...
I might have done quite well
in politics or something like that.
Yes.
I was very much under his influence.
I've obviously known him since early childhood.
Yes.
And he was a very convincing, charismatic person
as I think is well known.
And I was convinced by what he said to me.
Try to lean a bit forward.
Looking into Max's eyes
there's a very deep and misunderstood man
who had an exceptionally complex childhood.
I think my mother did.
My mother was, you know, my mother was very, um...
sort of affectionate to us all.
It wasn't really my father's scene.
Press.
Fact check is an unknown process
to the British tabloids.
If it insofar as they...
it gave me any credit
they wouldn't publish anything to do with NCAP
because, I mean, the hatred is incredible.
But, on the other hand
they could publish NCAP results
without mentioning me.
It's all building up to this thin little race
between three manufacturers
as to who can have the first five-star car.
This vehicle, the Tata Nexon
we believe that this will be the first five-star car
in India.
So, a very historic milestone.
So, shall we go and have a look?
Yeah, go for it.
I just hope to Christ it is a pass
cos if it's a fail, we've got a problem.
Uh, kind of. We will see.
- Doors are locked. - Huh?
The doors are locked. A small technical issue.
There may be a small technical issue.
The person, really, who's made Global NCAP happen
is David Ward.
He's one of those people who never stops thinking about it.
So, the Tata Nexon
performed extremely well in the crash test.
Look at the top line of the door here.
There's absolutely no change at all.
The airbag has gone off extremely well.
There's a kind of smiley face image on the airbag
which is the paint from the dummy's face
landing exactly in the centre of the airbag
as we wanted.
The occupant compartment has not collapsed.
So, basically, the occupant shell
has performed exactly as required.
So, we're really delighted that we now have
India's first five-star car.
The first five-star car
entirely designed and engineered in India.
So it's a made-in-India achievement.
It's an example for other countries.
They can't pretend it's something insignificant.
It's massive.
How many lives have been saved? Thousands of lives in Europe.
That's gonna be replicated here
but on a bigger scale
because the population of India is more than twice the EU...
and all those people will be healthy and safe
who would otherwise have been killed.
I'd like to think that maybe between us
we've saved more lives
than some of our more hopeless politicians have cost.
What is the Mosley family legacy now?
I'm afraid as long as the legacy
can be spelt out by the gutter press...
The Sun and The Mail...
it'll always be the one they want
but, I mean, in the end
you know, you know what you've done.
As far as the News of the World's concerned
there's a whole big story.
There were three suspects in Formula One.
Who are those suspects?
Oh, no, I can't say.
I wouldn't want to alert them.
At least two of them have got no idea they're suspects.
You said eventually you'll find out.
Are you looking?
Gently, quietly. I've sort of got my antennae out.
And if you do find out who it was?
Uh...
I think...
Yeah, I mean, they would have problems
but nothing, uh, you know...
they'd need some lawyers.
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